2025 Ryder Cup, Bethpage, NY.

just have a designated standby, simples

This exactly. If Noren (for example) comes in and wins, the US will complain they had to play against 13 men over the 3 days, if Noren was to lose, Europe will complain that the US didn't beat the "real" European team.

The envelope rule is fine, nobody benefits and its used so rarely, its a complete non-issue IMHO.

Anyone who ever played Seve, the spiritual leader of Euopean golf, would strongly disagree. His antics are well known and documented, but maybe he was an outlier. Amongst his special bag only tricks was ripping the velcro glove or getting an attack of coughing in the opponents backswing.

Scottie was the first golfer since 67 to lose all the 4 foursomes and 4 fourball

Yes as they are the first team ever o get paid to play in it

There's a photo going around of Trump advising the US team that if they lose the Ryder Cup, they should say it was stolen and storm the clubhouse

Jokes aside, can you imagine the skull duggery. Some lad hammers a nobody field on an also-ran PGA event last weekend.

Some player has 2 days of a mare, on day 3 he is told "you know that neck injury you have….yeah".

It would make an absolute farce of the thing.

As usual, once things don't go a certain way in America they start to crow about what happens. You lost, fair and square. Suck it up.

There's also a picture of me dating Taylor Swift, AI can produce any picture you want.

I think the phenomenon of rowdy/deranged fans especially in that region goes back a lot further than Donald Trump and the overlap with the MAGA crowd is not all that 1:1, it's a factor no doubt, but Democrats can be mouthy a-holes too, as well as politically inactive types.

This is really part of a longer-term historical trend of a lack of inhibition celebrated around the western world in general but especially in North America, sort of the louder and more profane you party, the bigger your privates must be. There are probably just enough brainless women to support that rather ridiculous proposition so it spreads (slowly) and mainly through a class of people who in general are suburban and likely to be self-employed rather than being socialized by frequent exposure to rules and regulations. The demographic seems to be as follows — drive a very big pickup truck with oversized wheels, fly flags on said vehicle, get aggressively loud and drunk at public locations even if women and children are present, use a certain word that is very easy to spell and pronounce as a noun, verb, adjective and whatever else, adding in worse words to flavour the mix.

You may be surprised to learn we have this in spades in western Canada too. The politics of this crowd does tend to be nationalist but I've met lefties like this also, and I would imagine it is not entirely unknown in Europe although on my rather distant visits there I can't recall too many examples (was once on a bus full of Scots rugby fans and they were somewhat comparable). Where there is a disconnect from politics is that generally speaking 90% of MAGA types are not into sports at all, Trump is a bit of an outlier in his own personal characteristics, and frankly the MAGA crowd see Trump as the only man capable of standing up against a huge wave of opposition to everything the movement wants and believes in, even if perhaps they wish they had a different person at the helm. His golf enthusiasm was there before the political career was announced, and people in MAGA don't generally go for the casinos and the beauty pageants etc etc. So getting back to the actual culprits, I have been listening for the past hour to U.S. golf TV discussion of how bad this behaviour was, and what could be done to avoid it in future. Brandel Chamblee brings up the concept that Ryder Cup should be run more like the Masters golf tournament, where fan misbehaviour is not tolerated and is generally not a problem. Others are saying that various officials perhaps inadvertently facilitated this outcome by stressing the "be loud and proud" angle, NYC fans thought that meant okay go nuts in public and no barriers or boundaries. I don't know if anyone has asked President Trump what his opinion might be, as obnoxious as he can be, I would imagine he saw it as not that great a thing. Almost as bad as losing I suppose.

Golf hasn't been boring since Tiger Woods

No surprise the previous worst incident was in Brookline (Boston) in 1999

It's a bit naive to think that the entire crowd was made up of purely New Yorkers though. A lot would have travelled.

If they had it down south I can imagine it would be even worse. Republican heartland with this kind of behaviour normalised and embolded by their clown-in-chief.

Yes its incredibly naive to say "This is all because its New York". Things have changed in recent years, people would have flown to NY for this event.

Its incredibly naive to think if this was held in Valhalla or somewhere it would have been different. Stoked on by their supreme leader, these idiots just think you can do whatever the F you want once you get inside.

No way it would have been different in any other venue. This is what America - and Americans - now are. They always were loud, brash, etc - now they are just plain morons.

I have no issue with cheering their own players, even cheering the ball of the opponent landing in the buncker - hey I wouldn't do it myself but what about it. Its the taunting when the players is preparing for their shot, the personal insults, etc that is just not on and completely crossed the line.

It's the entitlement they seem to have. 'I paid my money, I can do and say what I want'. That's seemingly the stereotypical American attitude now. 'I know my rights!' sort of thing. Comes from the very top (Trump). **** rolls down hills as they say.

Are you familiar with the concept of a plane?