Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

prawnsambo · 18-09-2025 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828147#Comment_123828147

That's because it was a word salad; an unstructured paragraph of bullet points, none of which addressed the limitations of camera based FSD.
Go and look at post #2423 - "Charging infrastructure - again the company has the best in the world (and that’s a deal maker!)". And you didn't make it clear that it was the UK. EXPRESSLY or otherwise.
Pejorative terminology? Are you reading what I've posted or what's in your head? I suppose when you can't even remember what you've written yourself, it's probably a stretch for you to remember what others have posted. For the record, my point was entirely factual. His brother and personal appointees are on the board and he has taken 80% of the company's profits in pay.

This is on the topic of how he is hurting the company. Insisting on not using Lidar, closing and then re-hiring the supercharger division and his massive pay awards.

EV01 · 18-09-2025 04:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828269#Comment_123828269

No, this thread is in the Motors>>Electric Vehicles & Hybrids forum. Therefore it is for comments primarily about Tesla cars - buying, owning and using. That was the substance of my post with a ‘throwaway’ about Musk, the “flavour” of this thread topic, and therefore on topic. But you have chosen to dig down and dwell on your displeasure with the “flavour” element and determinedly dragged this thread in the “anti-Musk” direction YOU wish to take it, despite the clear Moderation instruction at the head of this thread not to do this. Please DESIST.

prawnsambo · 18-09-2025 04:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828300#Comment_123828300

Mate, you're making a tit of yourself. Read the thread title, then come back and apologise.

Also lol at the notion that Teslas are the only electric vehicles. Hilarious.

But don't DESIST. I'm having too much of a laugh.

the_amazing_raisin · 18-09-2025 04:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828235#Comment_123828235

Yes, all true, and it's to Tesla's credit that the cars are as good as they are. It was always easy to talk crap about Fisker since they couldn't even make a decent car

However as I said a while ago, there's sort of a sliding scale for what people are willing to accept on company image relative to what they're paying. I don't think anyone here is under any illusion about where Penney's clothes come from but they continue to shop there because they're cheap

Its pretty clear Elon is having a negative effect on sales which means that Tesla needs to offer better deals to customers to shift stock. That means less profits per car and overall worse performance for the company balance sheet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828252#Comment_123828252

I may have misread your earlier post however you seemed to claim Elon's politics as a reason you'd want to own a Tesla?

I just did a spot check on the Tesla site and it looks like the majority of locations in the UK are open. I didn't count them but it seemed to be around 75% of the Superchargers

In any case, people posting about whether they would or would not buy a Tesla is kind of irrelevant. Sales are definitely down worldwide at a time when other brand EVs are on the way up. Either that's down to Elon's foray into politics or else the light bar on Juniper is not nearly as appealing as designers thought it would be

EV01 · 18-09-2025 04:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828321#Comment_123828321

”Teslas are the only electric vehicles” - seems you’re writing the comedy material now

prawnsambo · 18-09-2025 04:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828335#Comment_123828335

I have to bow to you for providing me with the raw material: "Therefore it is for comments primarily about Tesla cars - buying, owning and using."

The boldface type is yours. You couldn't make it up. 🤣

Still waiting for that apology…

Red Silurian · 18-09-2025 04:24PM

If we are talking specifically about Tesla shares and the supercharger network being probably the most profitable part of the company right now, you can't just look at the rollout in Ireland or the UK, you have to look at every country they operate in. In the USA for example they have 66% of the public charging market

With that being said Elon has been known to over promise and under deliver so share price should really fall any time he opens his mouth, or when he fired the entire supercharger team, or when he backed Donald Trumps anti-EV rhetoric

Yet, here we are

EV01 · 18-09-2025 04:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828333#Comment_123828333

”I may have misread your earlier post however you seemed to claim Elon's politics as a reason you'd want to own a Tesla?” - correct. You misread it 😁

“I just did a spot check on the Tesla site and it looks like the majority of locations in the UK are open. I didn't count them but it seemed to be around 75% of the Superchargers” - I’d be interested in seeing the distribution map because of all those I’ve tried in my local area NONE have been open to non-Teslas

EDIT to add: “1,400 (charge stations) are in the UK and a limited number of these (less than 10%) can be used by non-Tesla electric vehicles” - CarWow 31 July 2025

Yes, their sales have dropped significantly. But there are many factors in play here, not just Musk (deluge of new models, EV grants for cheaper EVs, geopolitics, Trump etc etc)

EV01 · 18-09-2025 04:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828335#Comment_123828335

still waiting for the denial that YOU wrote that comedy line

prawnsambo · 18-09-2025 06:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828300#Comment_123828300

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828395#Comment_123828395

Apart from the fact that you're replying to yourself (lol), there's your post above in which you state that this forum is primarily about Tesla cars.

If you think my exaggeration of that is funny, you must think your own post is hilarious. But you do you.

Also, why would I deny it? I was pointing out the idiocy of your statement.

Gumbo · 18-09-2025 07:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828867#Comment_123828867

I think it’s apparent he meant the “Tesla” thread rather than the entire forum. You should back down from that angle of attack now IMO.

prawnsambo · 18-09-2025 07:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828932#Comment_123828932

It's hard to know what he meant since earlier he said we were going off topic.

Gumbo · 18-09-2025 07:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828968#Comment_123828968

Subject to personal interpretation of course, but mine was that he meant this thread rather than this entire forum.

prawnsambo · 18-09-2025 07:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828973#Comment_123828973

This thread isn't about the cars - buying, owning and using. His words.

sk8board · 18-09-2025 08:10PM

the thread is almost 3 years old now, started just after the Tesla CEO carried a sink into the Twitter office. it’s mad to re-read some of the earlier comments - we’d never have guessed in our wildest dreams he’d end up doing what he’s been doing this year - but also don’t lose sight that the SP is up 117% in the lifespan of the thread - so Tesla supporters should be happy irrespective.

the_amazing_raisin · 18-09-2025 08:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123829119#Comment_123829119

Yes, all true, I was the one who started the thread and I regret it every time that some spirited debate takes place

There's no doubt in my mind that the majority of shareholders are extremely happy with Elon's performance

There's a bunch of activist shareholders who bought in to Tesla's mission and are pretty disillusioned with him now

The majority of shares are held by institutional funds and they'll only turn against Elon if the share price collapses. As you say, 3 years later and that hasn't happened

In my mind, there's 2 Teslas, the share ponzi scheme and the car company. The ponzi scheme is doing great but the car company is seeing some issues which could majorly impact it in the long term. A lack of new models, CT being a flop, the brain drain, etc.

sk8board · 18-09-2025 09:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123829142#Comment_123829142

”There's no doubt in my mind that the majority of shareholders are extremely happy with Elon's performance”

Absolutely - shareholders in general should leave their morals at the door. Id view Tesla as a ‘sin stock’; I’ve owned lot of them over the years - tobacco companies, oil companies, mining stocks, even cosmetic mega-corps that tested on animals.

If you don’t want a sin stock, you just have to press the sell button and your conscious is clear, and yet I’ve rarely done so over the years, I still own many of them - so it’s hard to criticise anyone who owns Tsla and are watching it going up.

The CEOs fiduciary duty is to deliver shareholder value, not be everyone’s friend.

MJohnston · 19-09-2025 12:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123829119#Comment_123829119

the SP is up 117% in the lifespan of the thread

Isn't this a wee bit misleading? The thread was started in December 2022 - months after $TSLA had already sunk from previous highs because Musk got side-tracked (among other things) by the purchase (then forced purchase) of $TWTR:

Just a comparison in terms of tech companies - $META is up 553% over the same time period, $NVDA up 936%, $AMZN 164%, $UBER up 256%, etc.

What $TSLA seems good for is riding volatility for short-term spikes

the_amazing_raisin · 19-09-2025 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123829709#Comment_123829709

Interesting, you could potentially argue that Tesla's share price rise is largely down to the rising tide effect of the market as a whole and not through any effective leadership

You could even go further and say Tesla is a terrible investment since its being outperformed by its peers

So what's keeping Elon in place as CEO then? He's got a goal of raising the market cap by something like 800% to get his next pay packet. Is he being set up for failure or do the board actually think it's achievable I wonder

Red Silurian · 19-09-2025 11:24AM

There's actually a wikipedia page dedicated to Elons Tesla predictions… Not great reading if you're a shareholder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk

the_amazing_raisin · 19-09-2025 01:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123830523#Comment_123830523

Lots of Red checkboxes 😂

Heres another more generalised one, it didn't seem to be maintained for a while but I saw there's a new update

https://elonmusk.today/

TLDR, the man is even worse with keeping release dates than Valve with Half Life 3

EV01 · 19-09-2025 09:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123828932#Comment_123828932

✔️⭐️🏅🥇for Comprehension! 👏

the_amazing_raisin · 19-09-2025 10:14PM

EV01, prawnsambo and Gumbo, do me a bit of a favour

Get a pencil, pen or any stick like object and put it between the first 3 fingers on your hand

So the top of your index and ring fingers are one one side of the pencil and the bottom of your middle finger should be on the other side

Now you've done that, go ahead and squeeze the tips of all 3 fingers towards each other with your other hand

Stop reading, go ahead and do that now

...

I'll wait, don't worry

…

Okay, done? Did it hurt? Good, now you know how it felt to read the last page or so of the 3 of ye bickering like children 😝

prawnsambo · 19-09-2025 10:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832543#Comment_123832543

Nope, didn't do that. But you didn't have to read the last page either. 🤷

the_amazing_raisin · 19-09-2025 10:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832576#Comment_123832576

****, was hoping I'd get one of ye 😉

I get a notification every time someone posts since I started the thread, so I kind of do have to read it

Yeah I know I can turn notifications off but I have other threads I don't regret as much so I don't want to 😝

prawnsambo · 19-09-2025 10:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832608#Comment_123832608

Fair. I suppose you're the only person who can say that, so I will offer my sincere apologies.

MJohnston · 19-09-2025 10:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832608#Comment_123832608

Unfortunately I don't think there's any way to disable notifications for threads you started, since Boards went to **** years ago

the_amazing_raisin · 19-09-2025 10:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832626#Comment_123832626

I like to think the enshitification of the site is an allegory for the internet as a whole

the_amazing_raisin · 19-09-2025 11:06PM

https://electrek.co/2025/09/19/tesla-loses-another-optimus-robot-leader-upsets-tsla-stock-gamblers/

New shareholder strategy, shitpost people who leave Tesla to shame them

Interesting thing is the engineer in question apparently took a pay cut to move from Tesla to Meta

Most people in that position are generally willing to take a hit on pay for either quality of life improvements or more attractive opportunities

So you'd gotta wonder how fucked Optimus is to make lead engineers take a pay cut to jump ship

To be clear, I think Optimus is a potentially great idea, but it doesn't make sense for it to be Tesla's next big bet, nor is it as big as it's being presented

However it's starting to look mostly like a method to bump the share price rather than build a real product. Perhaps engineers are starting to see that with most Optimus units either failing or being felt teleoperated and looking for greener pastures

MJohnston · 19-09-2025 11:12PM

I know I'm probably going to get written off as being a Tesla hater, but I genuinely don't understand what the potential with Optimus is - what's it supposed to be for?

Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

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