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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭morphy87


    What prices are you been quoted back your direction? €7.30 is the minimum down here at the moment. But cattle are scarce enough down this way and ground conditions are very good, the rain was needed.


    No the plan was to go about two weeks ago but they started acting up in the space of a few days, withdrawing flat prices and talking the thing down, then as soon as you mention that you are considering trying elsewhere the humour changes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Keep us update with any developments and price, breed, age and weight when killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Back4more


    I have no idea but imo there will definitely not rise and 99% chance the price will be lower next week .

    Cattle are being housed down here and while prices in marts are dropping for weanlings and stores big time ,good fat cattle are back as well but holding their own .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭morphy87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭nearlybreak


    watched sixmilebriges in clare today them good cattle would have to make 8 euro a kg to cover Whsts they are making and I’d say mostly factory bought make of thst Whst you will



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭nearlybreak


    also told a lot of factories killing only three days all this price pulling is just a game looks like they might pull another week or two but will be fucked then I’ve a feeling they will be under pressure sone enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭Robson99


    From what I've seen lairages are 90% filled with well under finished light carcass cattle. Very few heavy continental cattle. Also very few heavy continental cattle now in the marts. Either there is a glut of them to come or they are just not in it. There could easily be a shortage again by mid October



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,410 ✭✭✭kk.man


    They all left the country in last 18 months when factories were paying us pitence.

    Nobody has huge amounts of continental cattle no more than big number of sucklers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 459 ✭✭WoozieWu


    i cant remember the figure now but the amount of 100+ cow suckler herds in the country is a shockingly low number

    all the store cattle and dairy heifers hung up by processors over the last 9 months will prop the price up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,410 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Yea I passed a comment to a fella during the week if a good suckler farmer had 100 ish cows (weanlings sales) he'd give a dairy with a simular number a run for his money. The response was 'who has does numbers anymore'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, there’s huge workload in sucklers and calving a 100 of them would be a fair workload and would take more than a one man/woman show to do it - even allowing for splitting 50:50 between autumn and spring calving. Maybe with a father and son job with son working off farm and fairly active father keeping things going during the day.

    calving and housing facilities would be significant too

    Then there’s the land base requirement- probably circa 150-200 acres depending on land quality for 100 sucklers.

    So all in all, there’s never going to be too many 100 cow suckler herds. Average suckler herd in 2022 according to DAMF was 16 cows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,410 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Very true.

    I know a man and his wife turns up in kk mart each spring. Before the price of beef increased he was getting circa 2k for what was factory fit ish cattle. He had about 40 ish. That's 80k and nice beasts. He was the talk of the Mart.

    However if you brake down the numbers. 80k got to keep say 40 cows, 40 weanlings, and the 40 that's sold never mind if the man had a family to maintain. Now you could say he had decent sfp but those days are gone. I don't do glas nor have anc, my farm payments are sfp plus I wouldn't even complete tams as it's pure hardship.

    Anyway the above example he is not kina it. His same cattle this spring was probably hitting 3k which was a decent return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    is it shocking? If you have those numbers and that land then wouldn’t you go milking? Some work in 100 sucklers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    And 16 is an increase. It was 13 cows 10 years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Back4more


    Back in the suckler cow premium days was it 600 suckler cows Kelliher down in Macroom had ,always wondered what became of him .Was he related to Billy Kelliher the MEP



  • Registered Users Posts: 459 ✭✭WoozieWu


    there used to be quite a few 100+ cow suckler herds around before quota was abolished



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭morphy87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    exactly. Once quota went they had the opportunity to get into milk they didn’t before that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,504 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Cattle dealer who saw the way to get premiums. No relation of Billy TMK. Billy's brother is the lad being chased by the banks for €4.5m.



  • Registered Users Posts: 459 ✭✭WoozieWu


    some near here were milking all the time but wouldnt have big grazing blocks either

    do a lot of zero grazing and buffering now to keep numbers up whereas before they could graze 20 here and 30 there

    2 not too far from me sold their milking herds and quota to go into sucklers plus a job with a workman

    that would have been near on 25 years ago

    if you had the numbers and an autumn outdoor calving herd with the right type of cow you wouldnt have an awful workload year round

    plenty of that type herd in the uk but you need numbers



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    For all the talk of large suckler herds they were always in the minority, 50 cows would still be a large herd in this part of the northwest and most lads were always sub 20 cows. There's not many lunatics to take on the bother of 100+ suckler herds around here anyway and this would always have been a traditional suckler area. The workload of running that amount of cows to produce a good continental type weanling to suit the traditional export market would be enormous and up until this year the financial return wasn't in it to cover the cost and provide a return. That's the main reason why there's very few left running those numbers of cows as for the last decade you'd want a significant SFP, a penchant for hardship, a strong heart and a weak mind to make it work.

    Granted atm if you'd 100 average AA cows and put a good AA bull on them you'd have a weanling to come into €1200-€1500 at 250kg+ off the cow but that's a recent development. For years those sort of cattle weren't really wanted at all and the resulting weanling was from €400-€700 at the same weights. If you were to run 100 continental type cows and put a CH bull over them you're into a different ballgame as regards management and I'd be sure you'd wind up with lots of sad stories about calving ect.

    The issue with running that number of cows is that the losses would be in all likelihood enormous. I'd know a good few lads in Fermanagh running 80+ cows and the workload is never ending and there's lots of sad outcomes between hard calvings, scours, pneumonia ect alongside all the other potholes you can fall into in the suckler job. I could go on for pages as to all the reasons that large herds of sucklers aren't for the faint hearted but suffice to say if it was that profitable there'd be more at it.

    Edit to say maybe we've turned a corner as regards the profitability of sucklers and there will be brighter days ahead but from what I've seen in recent years the cattle have disappeared and so have the men that used to farm them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭nearlybreak


    quite simply beef price was wrong far too long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,926 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The reason is supply and demand. Accross the world we were producing too much therefore retailers dictated price. Tge reason we got the summer price wise we did was because processors got there numbers wrong late last year. If the world ups supply the pri e will drop, it's the same with pork, chicken, fish, wheat corn fertlizer just about anything. The swing in price of any product due to a 1-2% under and over supply is enormous

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭dryan


    7.30 is the best offer I can get.

    3 of my bunch going overage this week so going to bite at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭nearlybreak


    all fair enough but lads were producing good weanlings not long ago and not getting much more than a 1000 that didn’t stack up



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    I don't know of anyone with 100 suckler cows around here anyway. But I'd have to say 100 black cows would be a lot easier managed than 100 continental cows. I used to have 50, gone back to around 20 now and life is a lot simpler. There might be two in our DG with more than 50, all the other lads who had big herds are either gone milking or store to beef.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭nearlybreak




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭morphy87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭minerleague


    Nothing to say things won't go back to that again if big countries up production. It must be tempting for brazil to ship beef to Europe at current values



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  • Registered Users Posts: 459 ✭✭WoozieWu


    look up the world population in 2000 and compare to where it is now lads



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