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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    If he benches Sesko again, i'm Amorim out. eff it.

    Bayindir
    Yoro,De Ligt, Shaw
    Amad,Casemiro,Mainoo,Dorgu
    Mbeumo, Bruno
    Sesko

    Assuming that Mount and Cunha are not fit to start, that should be the starting line up and the only acceptable change, imo, is Lammens for Bayindir.

    Sesko has to start, Amad has to be RWB, and Mainoo has to come in for Mount/Cunha (with Bruno moving to 10).

    If he continues with Sesko on the bench he's just looking for excuses.
    If he plays Dalot over Amad at RWB he's a coward and I'll lose faith in whatever vision he has for the team because he just reverts to the defensive 5 at the back formation which has no future.
    And assuming Mount and Cunha aren't fit, that surely means Bruno to the 10 and then Mainoo surely HAS to come in because if you move Bruno and still don't play Mainoo the argument he is backup/rotation to Bruno is just a lie and he'll be further forcing Mainoo's hand.

    we need to see what United are under Amorim. He needs to show confidence in his plan, and his team. If his ideal is at least one offensive winger at wingback - have the bravery to go with it. If his ideal is at least one progressive attacking threat in CM - have the bravery to go with it and play Mainoo over Ugarte if Bruno is being moved.
    And you spent 80m on a striker. He's done preseason. he's done 3 sub appearances. he's played internationals, effing play him.

    If I am gonna 'need' to defend our performances in losses or draws, at least let it be on the grounds we are trying to play towards what we assume is the goal - and not be 'Oh but we didn't have Sesko starting because he needs to spend 6 months learning how to run the channel, and we played a fullback at WB so that is why our attack floundered in the final third'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭scottser


    I said it before, Donnorumma wasn't that sharp against Israel and with a front 3 of Bruno, Sesko and Mbuemo I think we can definitely score goals. The only problem obviously is our midfield, which I expect them to waltz through. Lammens could win this for us if he's half as good as he's supposed to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    We've looked better without Sesko though. He has done absolutely nothing to earn a place in the starting lineup, and especially in a derby I think it'd be a big mistake starting him.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    imo we have looked 'better' because we have added a midfielder into the side meaning we have 5 midfielders allowing for easier build up, but lack any type of cutting edge.

    We have zero box presence.

    We spent 80m on him. Show some god damned faith in him and put him into the side.

    If we are going by 'earning your place' then wtf is Casemiro in the starting 11, or Dorgu tbf. Bruno one decent performance at CM vs Burnley to show for it.

    We are likely to be without Mount and Cunha and we still don't start him? So we do what? Put Bruno up front? We put Zirkzee up front? What has he done to earn a start at 9?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    Ah yes, give up on a 80m signing after half a game. Of course we should be starting him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭BKtje


    I could understand if Amorim goes with Dalot over Amad to give a little more defensive strength. It's not against City where we want to go gung ho in attack. You need control and while Amad is a very exciting player to watch, he is not a wing back by trade (neither is Dalot to be fair) and will be more offensively focused than Dalot.

    With regards Sesko, it is up to the manager to judge when a player is ready to be let loose. Sesko is still young and coming to a new league so may need to be protected for a while longer. Amorim needs to pick a team that he thinks will best enact his strategy for the game, if that is with Sesko , great, if it is with Maguire up front then ok. This of course doesn't mean I'll like it but Ill judge his decisions on the team's performance and the result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,226 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    For me the issue is that if this was the same situation last year, he'd 100% start Hojlund. Poor Rasmus was damn near undroppable despite being so sh*t.

    I understand that he may be breaking Sesko in more gently in order to reduce the same pressure that contributed to breaking Hojlund, but there's gradual introduction and then there's taking the piss.

    I want Sesko to start. For him not to when we may be missions Cunha & Mount would be kinda bizarre.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,297 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    58 shots for 4 goals screams that you are making chances but the wrong people are taking the shots. 1 goal for every 14.5 shots is NOT a good return.

    get your €80 million striker on the pitch and get him in those positions. Its not rocket science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Caustic


    No he wouldn't people have short memories but we had an insane injury crisis for a long time under Amorim last year we were having benches full of young lads we had the bare bones a lot of the time. Zirk looked like taking his spot (even though he wasn't great) but then he got injured, the manager had very few options last season and no other option up top except the young lad who isn't ready. Even mainoo was tried but he also got injured.

    The situations aren't comparable at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I could be wrong of course but I think we have a better chance of winning the game with Mbeumo starting CF and Amad playing in his natural position. We need confident players out there and for me Sesko doesn't look it so far. I'm talking purely from the perspective of getting a result here.

    Think Casemiro is doing okay and if the option is him or Ugarte, then it's Casemiro all day long.

    Dorgu shouldn't be anywhere near the side, but what can we do.

    For me...

    The new goalkeeper

    Dalot, Yoro, Maguire, Shaw, Dorgu

    Casemiro and Bruno

    Amad, Mbeumo, Zirkzee

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    most of our shots are by Bruno, Cunha, Mbeumo (8 each), Zirkzee (7), Amad (6). so IMO it isn't screaming the wrong players are taking the shots. they just aren't shooting well enough.

    Bruno missing a penalty and Amad missing what should have been a certain goal - put those away like both players should have had the stats look more respectable. Zirkzee arguably missed a sitter too but I think he was fouled and should have had a penalty given for it.

    But yeah, DO get Sesko on the pitch regardless (4 shots, btw)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Amad has produced more wide from WB that he has at 10.
    Mbeumo at CF good lord.
    Dunno why you are dropping MDL.
    And then bringing Zirkzee in at 10 rather than playing Mainoo, or Sesko is madness. imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,305 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    It's not rocket science but putting Sesko on the pitch is some magic solution.

    It's way too early to call anything but for the limited time Sesko has gotten so far, we haven't looked half as dangerous in attack.

    I want to see him start though, it might take time for him to click in the front 3, but we have to give it that time. Injuries should guarantee that he starts imo. I'm not sure Amorim would have started him if Mount and Cunha were fit though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Caustic


    Sesko will eventually be starting, and probably will be against city given what our injuries look like but it's not big deal he hasn't started yet or even in the next game if he isn't ready. He played 90 mins via grimbsy and was cramping up so much he was last on the list to take a penalty so obviously he wasn't close to being up to speed for a full premier league game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,226 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Delete...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    Sekso better start. Don't need 10 games to ease him in when we have no striker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭GolfPar


    Given the team news I'd expect Maz to start RWB. Mainoo in midfield. Bruno the left 10 and Sesko up front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,226 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    I was of the same opinion, but looking at the games, we’re far more fluid without him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    Cunha is a loss for sure. He’s been excellent. Hopefully him and Mount aren’t too far away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,602 ✭✭✭SteM


    Onana's looking at those gloves like he's never seen a pair before and doesn't know what they're for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Well we hvae to learn to be fluid with him. He's hardly a clucky player. We've made a bet on him as our striker for the forseeable future. Lets see it.

    or sack the people that brought him in if he already can't work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I'd be soooooooo angry if Mazraoui starts RWB ahead of Amad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Maz will start. Amad will play in Cunhas spot. Sesko up top. Bruno and Cas in the middle, Mainoo on for Cas at the 60 minutes mark



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    That kind of thinking is exactly what got us into this mess, it’s too knee-jerk. Let AM figure it out. I’m perfectly fine with Sesko easing in gradually. I’d rather we play the way we did against Burnley than just throw on a striker for the sake of it.

    Look, I get it, I was also desperate to see him start. But we did, and we all saw what happened. Maybe AM actually knows best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Buying players we had no plan or use for got us here. I hope sesko isn't that. But deciding to play no striker over the guy the club committed to isn't promising, and not the sign of a well thought out plan.

    And Mount and cunha were a big part of our good play. NEITHER are available. So I don't get how there is any argument for any player other than him up front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    I get where you’re coming from, but I don’t think Sesko falls into that “no plan” category. He looks like a long-term piece, not just a panic buy. AM seems to be easing him in rather than throwing him straight into the deep end, which I actually prefer. Playing without a striker might not look great on paper, but if it helps us build the style we showed against Burnley, I can live with it for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Helps us build to what end - there is no one in the box to aim a cross at!

    It was our biggest issue vs Arsenal. for all the good build out and play, there was no one in the box occupying the defenders.

    I do worry Amorim is going to do as you and other are suggesting and play an ultra defesive, cautious side, and we will lose as a result. And it is ruining all my faith in Amorim. If we play 5 defenders and no striker, again, I just can't keep defending his sh1t. I can't keep trying to defend a vision he isn't showing us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Even just look at the issues City have had this season - runners into the channels on transition. If we don't play Sesko up top we are looking at Zirkzee? He isn't damaging them that way. We play 5"7 Mbeumo up there? He can and will do the running but now we don't have him at 10, so losing his running there. So you move Amad to the 10 and hope he provides it? OK, now we have Mazraoui who was generally poor at RWB last season.

    It is all just cascading wrongness when trying to take advantage of the weaknesses that we are seeing in City at the moment.

    Sesko up top, Mbeumo at 10, Amad at RWB - these are moves that can hurt City. Other options, IMO, just make things harder for ourselves to attack and easier for City to defend.



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