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The game we all love - what would you change?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,014 ✭✭✭✭8-10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    Bin VAR or VAR grow a pair and VAR makes the final decision rather then throw it back on the referee. It’s actually throwing referees under the bus rather than helping them. Imagine in work consulting an expert for them to just say yeah sorry not sure about that, go figure it out yourself… or asking a lecturer or teacher a question and them not answering it and sending you off to figure it out yourself. At least if VAR makes the final decision the referee isn’t left with the hostility abuse etc. It was brought in to help referees so let it help them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Any player that downs tools/goes on strike is banned from moving clubs until the next transfer window and no wages get paid in the meantime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,014 ✭✭✭✭8-10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭secman


    1. Var was brought in to correct "clear and obvious" mistakes. Give VAR 45 seconds to check, if its clear and obvious it will be clear and obvious within 45 seconds.
    2. Offside rule, just like the whole of the ball must be past the line, if any part of forward is onside , then they are onside, whole of the player has to offside to be offside.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    How is someone who signs a contract and then refuses to honour the terms of that contract a slave? If the club is willing to sell fair enough but they should have the option to say your not being sold and no wages until the next window comes around IMO. I know it would never work but players shouldn't be allowed to hold clubs to ransom because their agent was too dumb to arrange a buyout clause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭redoctober


    Just found this old thread. Totally agree with the above. Surely VAR could be used to review post-match, incidents where players have feigned injury, won dubious free-kicks etc. It's not something that could be done real-time as it would be a nightmare but after games, players could be on an honour system. Like the yellow cards. If they feign something 5 times, they get a one match ban. We need to cut out cheating. It's ruined the game so much in the past few decades. It's almost a non-contact sport these days. Player gets the ball, backs into another player, falls over: free kick!

    Edit: doing it post-match would allow a colder analytical approach to incidents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,014 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    If you are not paying wages but expecting them to work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    If they refuse to work which what Isak did then no wages. Come to work you get paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,014 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Ah OK I thought when you said no wages until next window you expected them to train and play matches without pay

    Isak trained everyday by the way



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I probably should've worded my original post better. But if Isak did say to Newcastle I'll never play again for ye. (I know the media can overhype things) then training every day isn't good enough if you wont turn up and play in any matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,014 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah I get that but if there's an actual rule comes in like you suggest then behaviour will just change from refusing to play to "play-to-rule"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    That's a good point. I just hope that every transfer window from now on doesn't turn into the mess like the one we just had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,253 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    No rebounds on in game penalties

    Goes in = goal

    Save or wide / over = goal kick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭adaminho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,014 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I still think one of the simplest rules to introduce is that if the game is stopped because a player is down (either ref stops or it's put out of play), that player should have to leave the field before being waved back on by the ref



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,253 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    It should be a 50-50 shoot out imo. Unfair on keepers otherwise. They have to stop the ball going into the net, not put it back in danger and hope their teammates don't fùck up



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Is that not the whole role of the goalkeeper anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,253 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    My point is if someone misses a penalty then him or his team shouldn't be able to benefit from it seconds later with a rebound. A clear shot on goal from 12 yards is more than enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,829 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    I think the whole penalty situation needs looking at. It's obvious now that ever since it's been a thing, keepers have been "cheating" at penalties, by coming off the line too soon. It was baked into the scenario.

    Now, with var, it's too easy to score from a penalty.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,253 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    No, because an outfield player has way less of a chance of scoring a free kick.

    The odds are way in favour of the penalty taker as is, and rightly so. Allowing rebounds makes it even more in their favour and I think that's unfair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Isthisthingon?


    VAR created or perhaps highlighted the fact that offside is a binary decision. You are either on side or offside.

    Commentators and fans naturally describe a call as being ' barely off side or just onside. Nevertheless its one or the other as frustating and or relievng as it may seem depending if its goes for or against your team.

    We have seen offsides given by the smallest possible fraction, so go back to giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt as it were. If they are off side marginally when the lines are drawn, allow a 12 inches - ie a foot as a advantage zone ( Can be another line drawn ) and the goal stands. I suggest this as someone who prefers more goals per game. The exact same logic could be done in reverse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I am definitely against VAR and also against the shi1show they created with those handball rule changes.

    However, I do understand the binary thing with offside. Whether you draw a line at the exact forward points or if you draw a line 12 inches after or draw the line with the forward having to be fully offside doesnt matter. You gotta draw a line somewhere and someone will be a fraction outside or inside of it no matter where that line is.

    So offside yes fair enough. But the rest of VAR hasn't improved refereeing. It takes forever to come to a decision and half the time they're still not objectively correct. Never mind all this going back to godknowswhen to see if the was 'something' in the build-up. Only now you deprived the audience of the glory goal moment.

    But if you have to have it, like somebody else said, if you cant figure it out in 30 seconds or say max 1 minute then it's not a clear and obvious error. It may still be wrong after scrutiny but you cant honestly say the ref made a clear and obvious error.

    I mean that should be so obvious, only it's not to the folks in charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,014 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah whatever about the lines the point is once you're consistent in the definition of where the lines are drawn then it's objective. Same as goalline technology. It's either in or it's not. You can change the definition and tolerance levels in the future but it gets applied across the board so it's still fair

    The problem with everything else is that it's a subjective decision. So you're not using technology- there's this idea that "VAR" is some sort of cutting edge tech. It's not. A VAR is a human person, who is also a referee, who is added into the decision making process for subjective decisions.

    The only tech used is replay from tv cameras. They aren't using tech to determine the height or force of a tackle, they're just taking another look from more angles

    Which sounds like it could help, but the problem is they haven't given the VAR the power to make a decision

    If the VAR is a fully trained referee same as the guy on the pitch, and they have access to see an incident, why can't they make the decision on it?

    If VAR worked like a referral, or (shudder) team challenges like in US Sports, then that's what would happen, ignore the on field decision and VAR makes a decision

    It's ridiculous that a fully qualified referee can have access to slow motion replays from all angles but isn't empowered to make a determination and instead has to make a judgement of whether to try and convince the on field ref to change his decision or not and whether it's reached a threshold.

    It's mad. If the point is to get the right decision or not then just make that call

    This process gives unnecessary power to a decision on the pitch

    Referees are now blowing less on marginal calls, sometimes unconsciously, because they know they have the safety net of VAR

    But that's flawed then because not blowing is the decision and there's a threshold to overcome to change it, instead of ref not blowing = ref is unsure, refer to VAR, VAR makes the call

    There should be no reason to waste time having a ref jog over to a monitor when a qualified ref has already seen all the footage and can make a determination



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭youtheman


    1. anyone who goes down injured has to make his/her way to the sideline for treatment. If they are unable to make their own way then they are substituted.
    2. I believe corner kicks are no longer 'fit for purpose'. It's the only time in a match when you literally have 10 v 10, maybe 11 V 10, no offside, with several fouls being committed simultaneously. How is the referee suppose to enforce the laws then? I'm not sure what the solution is, but the current system is broken in my opinion. Maybe limit the number of players who can be inside the box!.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,253 ✭✭✭✭Nalz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    There's no way corners will be done away with and who'd want that anyway. Sorry thats just not a good idea at all. Next you gonna disallow crosses from frees down the flanks too?

    Anyone pulling tearing whatnot free kick / penalty and yellow card. Worked a treat with kicking the ball away, delaying frees.

    Watch a few game days with yellows & penalties from that and there'll be no one tearing and dragging.

    But you'll have to penalise attackers too (yellow card) or even stricter or else there'd be an imbalance cos the penalty for the defender (penalty kick) would be so much harsher.

    In fact I think what should be done is hand on the other player → free, no further questions. Yes footie is a physical game but dragging and tearing at the players shirt or player there should be no way that isnt a foul. Same with getting up for a header, hands on the player → free.

    I played football for many many years and yes it may now seem the natural thing to do. Going up for a header, hands down on the shoulders of the opponet. But there is no way it must be done. Players are perfectly able to jump keeping their hands to themselves. They just chose not to cos theyre getting away with it.

    Some of the goals you'd see would never be given when I played. Both hands on the shoulders of the defender nearly using the guy as a way of jumping higher and refs let it slide and allow the goal, madness.

    Post edited by CalamariFritti on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,253 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Alternatives for current corner shenanigans, used AI for half of them:

    Zonal buffer rule: Defenders must start at least 1 or 2 yards away from an attacker inside the penalty area at the moment the corner is taken, similar to basketball “space” rules.

    No-touch zone: For the first 2 seconds after the corner is struck, players in the penalty area can’t make physical contact with each other (VAR could monitor). This would be tough!

    Staggered zones: Attackers must line up outside the box, and defenders inside...attackers can only enter once the ball is struck, creating more movement and fewer static grapples. Could do similar with 6 yard boxc.

    Deeper corners: Place the corner arc 2–3 yards further back from the end line, which makes lofted balls harder to crowd into the 6-yard box, I know I know!

    Further out corners: take the corner in line with 20yards line so off side rules are in play.

    Short corner encouragement: Teams must take at least one short corner before a direct one so kinda forced variation.

    Two-touch corners: The ball must be touched twice before entering the box, which prevents immediate aerial bombardments.

    Keeper safety zone: Forbid challenges within 1 yard of the goalkeeper during corners. If an attacker encroaches, free kick to the defending side.



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