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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭green daries


    GGo Away and read the conversation properly before comment thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Local processor 7.3 base full for the week. If you want cattle killed as a small supplier you now have to book in for end of the following week. Will only quote price for next week next .Monday morning. It will be 7.2/ kg next week.

    Neither of the next two nearest factories will quote you any higher and you risk that the weights will be fiddled.to put manners on you.

    KKill Was 25k/ week and factories filled what contracts they had to fill. Now it's 28k I suspect.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭green daries


    That's great thanks very much..... but it still has nothing to do with what I was discussing with dbk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You made the point of the way the tune was changed. Was it the ifo coming from agents/dealers or from procurement managers.

    Neither are often totally in the loop as to what us happening. Most agents are not the sharpest tool in the box. The ones that are only pass on what they are told.

    IIt all goes back to the statistics abd unless 200k cattle from 2-3 years of age have disappeared tge kill from now on will.be probably 33-35k/ week. The longer it's takes to get there the higher it will rise.

    The way things are going is more or less what I predicted. The cattle that a lot of agents taught were missing were sitting inside in feedlots being finished.

    IIt's not just to fill feedlots that processors want to drop prices. There's a lot of small finishers that are tillage operators. The price of grain is probably sub 200/ ton. They want these guys to fill sheds and risk there grain feeding cattle.

    When prices are rising lads are reluctant to sell. They virtually never stay long at the peak. As I have pointed put flat prices are very easy to stop and immediately you drop beef prices by 40+c/kg.

    Someone posted about some feedlots operators being contracted at 9/kg. It's unlikely you or me will get a smell of that after Christmas.

    The priesent filling of feedlots is to cool the November demand. From early December on the need for beef cools until a few days before Christmas.

    Weight be lucky if it stops at a base of 7/ kg

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭WoozieWu


    out of interest how understocked are you @Bass Reeves



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭green daries




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Once again you attack the poster not debate the post. You are deluded if you think that I or anyone else here can effect the market forces. It's simply supply and demand.

    I am not significantly understocked. I have 70 stores for next year bought, I would like to get to 90 but I am not fixated on it. I have ten spring 2025 calves will probably buy 20-30 more but I have 4-5 months to buy them

    I still have finishing cattle to sell 4 this or next week, after that there will be a pen of cattle for after Christmas.

    I do not try to play the market, generally I buy as I sell. You asked the sane question in May/June and I answered it much the same then. So there is no great conspiracy theory

    There is a great conspiracy, it is the processors are a cartel, I am just pointing out the way it works. This weekand next week they will pull at factories that are around the edges. Plants like ABP Slaney Bandon, and Rathkeale. Dawn Charlesville, Bsllyhaunus and Waterford, Kepak Atheague and maybe Ballybay. Probably Ashbourne meats as well

    When these factories back up numbers they then drop it's back elsewhere. It's not f@@king rocket science. I am in a part of the country that feels the pincer move first. Late last May was one of the only tmes I saw it fail halfway. But one swallow will not make a summer

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,502 ✭✭✭tanko


    Does anyone know when the cattle slaughtering factory opened in Ballybay???? What price are they quoting this week??? Im looking for a new factory after I got rode sideways in Bsllyhaunus last week,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Never Dealt that far upwards showing up as a processing plant. The rest of them is there. I was just giving an example of plants where they would start the pull.

    Listening to Kilmallock and marts may not be an option in another few weeks. HEX, AAx and coloured heifers over 500kgs making less than 4/ kg. Not toom many AA so far a lot of HEx

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    This isn’t Facebook lad. You can’t go jumping down any posters throat the second they say something other than “the boom times are going to last forever”

    Yes cattle numbers are down but if everybody kept holding onto cattle until the weather turned it was always going to cause a bottleneck.

    Some people have very short memories. The past 2 years were flukes. Every other year as far back as I can remember cattle prices drop on September. The chances were always that it would happen again this year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭nearlybreak


    Less than 27k killed last week though and factories not even doing full weeks it’s slightly different to your normal backend pull quite simply they are pulling to bring down the price of beef for their own good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭50HX


    God forbid that someone on here makes a prediction & its correct & they get credit for it.

    Its ok to be wrong sometimes as well.

    I've learnt a good bit on beef prices from this forum & a few posters on other forums without it being a mud slinging match.

    I've said before I'm out of the suckler game so this is new ( ish) territory for me.

    I sold cattle in a mart last Friday, for some reason forward stores were making more than factory fit cattle.

    Down here I would be fairly sure there is a factory price pull coming of 10-15c per week for Sept.

    Weather conditions have deteriorated rapidly so 600+kg beef cattle are being housed if not sold.

    That plus the grazing man is starting to shift numbers as well.

    In contrast on the eastern side cattle are being fed outside due to grass shortage.

    Parlour cows maybe out a bit earlier to marts this year imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That was the week before last figures for last week will not appear until after midday tomorrow

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭WoozieWu


    things have changed

    i can understand that this has upset some but all you can do is roll with the punches

    the west is awake



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 918 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Has anyone actually booked in cattle this week and received a price?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    You can roll with the punches or you can put your hands up and not get hit on the head.

    Post edited by bogman_bass on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭White Clover


    All facts in your post. The problem on this thread now is as you say, you're not allowed to say anything about the prices in the marts dropping or the same couple of posters are piling on straight away. No, the price in the mart must keep rising. A reality check is needed by some considering where prices were this time last year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭WoozieWu


    its not my fault people cant look forward rather than backwards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭morphy87


    only 16 bullocks over 600kgs in Thurles today, and one of those lots was a lot of 13 fr,only saw one lot of hex not make the €4 but they were very plain,the majority were making well over the €4, hard to see much of a slippage there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    where do you the figures for weekly kill @Bass Reeves and have you info on a good few years built up? Or is it just info from farmers journal or Bord bia?

    Do you find over the run of a number of years is there a similar enough pattern regards numbers and was it way off this year?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭KAMG




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Look at the prices in Roscommon last Friday. Factory fit cattle are well back and just about at factory prices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭morphy87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 918 ✭✭✭Conversations 3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    But who’s reality is it ?
    UK retail prices are so profitable and beef is so scarce that it is being processed at the other end of the world ( Australia ) and shipped to UK and yet is viable .
    But we have a wet week here and somehow there is a catastrophe. Prices have to drop because we have to have a reality check. If the market could sustain eight euros last month why can it not sustain it this month ?
    Some people don’t know when they are being ridden .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭nearlybreak


    well said if the factories could get 50 thousand cattle a week at d mo they’d take them the demand for beef is there and everyone knows it and a pull at the mo is unjustified and it’s just games and fellas saying here cattle normally go down this time of year is true but we are in unprecedented times at the moment and it’s just a fact and it was always said the best way to buy cattle is drop the price and it’s working at d mo because lads on marginal lad are in trouble but if the weather improves you’ll see a different attitude from the factories and don’t forget how much robbing they have done for the last 20 years they have put lots of lads out of business because they couldn’t make anything out of cattle while the factories themselves have coined it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭nearlybreak


    think back a month or so to all them forward stores who were making 4.5 to 5 euro plus and where did they go to factory feedlots and they will be coming on stream in next month or so and what would they have to make in a normal market to even cover cost granted it’s slightly different but it just shows what they can give for cattle they just want to rape lads as much as possible I’d be very careful selling cattle at d mo because taking 7.30 ain’t going to leave you a whole lot to buy the next bunch maybe I’m wrong but it’s just what I think and remember there will be less cattle in this country next year for the first time in a long time the farmer has the upper hand don’t let them get the better of you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭green daries


    There's going to be a real scarcity of 24/25 cattle next spring id love to know how short exactly i think there's going to be a bigger percentage of fr heifer calves on the ground as well in 2026



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭KAMG


    Last Wednesday. 3 of them will be over 30 months in a couple of weeks.

    Obviously I'd prefer to have gotten 7.60e, but that was the price 2 weeks ago. I'm the smallest of the smallest of small fish in this business. Its basically my hobby and thing I enjoy doing outside of work.

    My replacements were bought in the springtime. 1,000e for 1 year olds. So, I'm in a very profitable position and don't intend to wait a few weeks to see what will happen.

    I have my final 6 left. 3 nearly factory fit and 3 that are a good bit short yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭KAMG


    I was told a couple of weeks ago by one of our big cattle farmers, that the factories were hoping/confident of getting the price down to 7e by the end of September.



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