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Tesla Model 3 - V4.0

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭Ricey3509


    I saw something similar on a recent long journey from the west , car told me I would arrive with 17% , I had to babysit it to arrive home with 4% (weather was good btw 18+ degrees) . Tbh generally it’s been very accurate so not sure if it was a bug in that particular software version. 2022 rwd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭creedp


    As I said I don’t normally take pay close attention to the projected versus actual % remaining figure as I normally plan to have plenty ‘in the tank’ on arrival so I can deal with any unplanned trips. So a 5% or so deviation wouldn’t really register with me.

    However a 13% deviation is quite substantial and it’s interesting that you also experienced a similar issue on trip from west to east. Will keep a closer eye on this for future longer trips



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I’m collecting a model 3 today up outside Belfast. I’ll do a test on that and report back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,052 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Think you have a bug creed. I've never found the nav software to be more than a single percent out either way - assuming I stick to the limits that power the nav software.

    I've also run mine down to -3% and the earth didn't cave in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭September1


    I had this happen to me multiple times in newer car and it could be even 20% off, I just switched to ABRP which seems way more reliable and better at planning for journeys where it matters. In all cases I encountered it there was motorway involved, on other roads estimations are very good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,052 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Seems like an issue in the latest Highland software update?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭creedp


    On that last point have you taken note of how much consumption in kWh the car reports over the full battery range and does this approximate to the official net battery capacity?

    On a couple of occasions recently Ive taken the consumption reported for a given % of battery used and each time it extrapolates to approx 60kwh for a full battery. Mine is a 2021 M3P with I think a 75kwh battery which would suggest a very significant 20% degradation. Just wondering if other cars are underreporting full battery capacity or if this is a real degradation figure?

    Ive already experienced serious degradation in a 2016 Leaf 30kwh, currently at about 65% soh, and one of the reasons I had opted for a Tesla was because of low degradation rates. It would be a pain if I’ve also ended up with a Tesla with unusually high degradation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,052 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Haven't, but might start.

    I currently have full faith in the nav system to report correct consumption….until I get an anomaly like you're seeing. It's been good so far, but….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭September1


    I have experienced this issue for years in OG M3.

    I think car reports only energy used for powering motors, I wonder why someone thought that would be useful to know. Every other EV and ICE basically reports total consumption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭wassie


    I would use energy meter at least a couple of times a week for long journeys over the last 4.5 years and have found it to be very accurate - but this comes with a big caveat. There is an amount of variability when traveling at higher speeds (>100kmh).

    My assumption is that its related to the forces associated aerodynamic drag, which increases exponentially with speed. i.e. as you double your speed, the air resistance quadruples.

    If you plotted a graph of the M3's energy consumption vs speed, it probably look like a curve that is relatively flat at low speeds, gradually increases in the middle range and then rises very steeply at motorway speeds. i.e. After 100kmh, the curve on the graph starts to steepen dramatically.

    Driving on a long journey is generally not static, especially on a motorway. There is a lot of variability and at high speed caused by traffic and weather, which in turn (again my guess) is that this consumes quite a bit of energy when there may not be a lot to spare. Overtaking even at constant speed, consumes additional energy (again at high speed) as car needs to counter the airflow which is disrupted by traffic. I assume there is also a level of conservatism built into it.

    Over the years, Ive probably had about dozen experiences of arriving at <1%. Many of these times simply required me to slow down to make it. A couple of occasions I actually exited to motorway for safety as I was going less than 80kmh. The meter may reduce your range as the journey increases causing concern, but equally it can work in reverse if you modify your driving.

    Having a 53kwh nominal battery, my range is lower than newer owners. But I have always made it to the next available charger or destination, thanks to the energy meter.

    YMMV quite literally!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,052 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Maybe it doesn't manifest itself on the Model Y 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭creedp


    Cheers. As I said I havent been closely monitoring this issue up to know but do remember seeing the projected arrival % flip flop between -3% and 12% on a 300km (mostly motorway at 110kph) trip back in June. During the journey a message popped up a couple of times saying ‘stay below 111kph to reach destination above 7%’ (my memory’s not that good…I just found a picture I snapped at the time as I was surprised by the variability in the projections). I’ll keep a closer eye on this from now on to see if its the norm or an anomaly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    I noticed this recently as well, was coming from Galway to Dublin , started off at 15% estimated left on arrival, dropped to 6% on route and arrived with 10%, likely due to slower travel on the motorway due to traffic.

    Seems to be working as expected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭creedp


    Are the projections based on staying at 100kph or less on motorway? That’s not really realistic for a lot of people. For the risk averse it might be worthwhile and less stressful to consider adding 10% to projected % on arrival so you can drive at more normal motorway speeds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,052 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    The projections are based on - among other things - local traffic, the speed limit for every section of the journey, known weather conditions, and even gradient changes. It is assumed that drivers will drive at the speed limit and not under it however.

    Could there be a difference between the algorithm on the M3P and the MY?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,365 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Tesla percentage reflects traffic, weather conditions en route and elevation changes, I find it incredibly accurate

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Izy


    In my limited experience, only have the car a week and a half, I always arrived with slightly more ( 1-3% ) than indicated at the start and it was always due to traffic on the way.

    The longest journey was when collecting the car to get home, navigation at the start said I’d arrive with 57% (starting at 92%) and I ended up arriving with 59% due to traffic on the M50 and the occasional slowing down on the motorway due to TACC.

    Another 100km round trip was of a similar experience of arriving on both legs of the journey with an extra 1-2% due to city traffic. It used 23% of the battery for that trip.

    M3H RWD



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Paul MCM


    I’ve nail in my tyre so need to get it patched. Is this something you do through the Tesla app or just get onto one of the tyre centre's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭September1


    I think that is reason why this massive errors are so jarring and annoying as I used to trust internal navigation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,052 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Log a service ticket guys, this is not normal behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    you could just do it yourself with a plug kit & 12v compressor, or at a local tyre place…

    Tesla are not a tyre shop and will just sell you a new tyre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    Hard to know. It does update as you drive so its not a bug, it's updating based on driving conditions , road conditions and local weather.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Paul MCM


    IMG_3499.jpeg

    Here is the fecker, is it straight forward enough once you have the repair tools?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    yeah, takes about 5 minutes with a plug kit obtained from Amazon, likewise the 12v compressor.

    if its on a front wheel turn & rotate wheel so its easily assessable without having to remove the wheel, on the rear, you might need to lie on the ground to do it, but it can be done.

    that screw is plugable, but a few mm closer to the sidewall and it'd be a new tyre needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Paul MCM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,055 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    That’s on the shoulder and a reputable shop won’t repair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭creedp


    I’ve plugged both front and rear tyres and agree rotating the front tyre makes it reasonably easy to plug but I found it’s easier to remove the rear tyre especially on low cars such as the M3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I find if I have the puncture facing aft, at about 4 o'clock - 5 o'clock (for a rear left), it's doable, but as I said, you just have to be prepared to lie almost flat on the ground to get at it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Just done 183 km. Newtownards out passed Belfast to Dublin. Sat nav said arrival at 47% when leaving. It adjusted to 53% as I was on the M1 and then to 54% as k hit the slower M50 and I arrived bang on at 54%. Speed limit all the way and overtaking any slower moving traffic.

    No leaf speeds used!

    22 M3 LR

    IMG_2569.jpeg IMG_2570.jpeg IMG_2571.jpeg


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