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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭enricoh


    36% on job seekers allowance are foreign now, 46% in Germany.

    Tells us more about the lazy natives n hard working migrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,561 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The vast majority are still “native” in Ireland and no doubt come from families where few attend third level etc etc. Generational unemployment etc etc And ironically don’t speak their native language to any level of proficiency. The mindset is a sad joke really. And if the mindset was not so dangerous I would feel sorry for them. Also ironically the foreigners are better at learning the Irish language, again putting the bottom feeder natives to shame.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Ah , we've gone from the foreigners are hard working compared to us to they are better at learning Irish than us. Keep em coming so!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Now look at the backgrounds of Irish citizens claiming welfare too. How many of them are originally from Ireland, or have been born abroad? One day they're foreign and then the next they're new Irish. It doesn't matter to the media or certain posters on here. They'll all be lumped in as the one and watch the finger wagging from those same posters on here saying "see, look at the amount of Irish on the dole" now shut up and take your communities and economic resources being over strained by endless new arrivals.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭enricoh


    It makes the brutal employment stats for certain countries look a bit less brutal.

    As these countries are the lifeblood of the refugee industry that's a win!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I've done a fair bit of travelling over the past few years.Small amounts of immigration/emigration are fine (that isn't what we are having coming into Ireland in the past 20 decade) and that is what we had up until 20 years ago and the people who did emigrate were happy to adapt to their new country and their was no pandering to them by politicians they were expected to be able to get by on their own.

    The more I've traveled the more I've realized how wonderfully diverse the world is and how much should be done to maintain this uniqueness that individual country possess and not have a eroded by mass emigration where we end up with a boring world wide mono-culture rather than the diverse world we have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I would argue the opposite.

    Think of Ireland. We had boring food here for decades, and "Irish" versions of other countries' food.

    Now you can get authentic Chinese, Indian, or Thai food because of the immigrant communities here. Same with special events. There are Indian events open to the public a few times a year. Don't need to travel to the far side of the world to experience another culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    There is no problem with small amounts of emigration that we had in the past where people with skills decided to move to another country to work and settled there, that is fine, that was what emigration was prior to the last 15 years or so.

    There is a problem with emigration where the population of the country (any country) goes from about 1% foreign born to 20% foreign born within a couple of decades.

    There is a problem with people emigrating who then get social welfare, social housing etc in their new country.

    Most of the people I work with are foreigners, difference is they have valuable skills they are able to look after themselves and they get on with their lives without needing political groups and NGO's advocating on their behalf all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,637 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So no one who has emigrated to Ireland in the last 20 years has either adapted or got by on their own?

    Lets be honest, that is absolute nonsense isn't it?

    Where are you informing yourself of this absolute scutter?

    end up with a boring world wide mono-culture

    That has already happened, it's called the internet or more specifically Social Media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    So a few restaurants is justification for drastically increasing the countries population in such a short space of time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Yes it's as if these people think the IPAs will stay in these nice hotels for their lives. The lads coming here getting the royal treatment are not here to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Nice way to be flippant.

    I'm happy to live in a multicultural Ireland. I think it's fantastic to see immigrants coming here and making a future for themselves. I work in an MNC with more non-Irish than Irish. Our jobs wouldn't exist if we couldn't bring in overseas talent.

    I live in a housing estate with more non-Irish than Irish. Most are European, but there are a few Indian, African and East-Asian families. All of them paid for their houses, same as me. They're all lovely people and participate in the local community.

    I have no problem with any of this.

    Direct your anger to the government, rather than people with a different skin colour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I am directing my anger at the government though.

    They're the ones that have not planned for the massive increase in population they've perpetuated.

    Also I've never mentioned anyone's skin colour in this thread so seems like you've deciding to admit you can't make a logical argument and throw around accusations of racism as a method of arguing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Just because we have our own wasters doesn't mean we need to import them.

    The vast majority should be Irish because this is Ireland.

    You could easily solve this issue by putting into law that nobody who isn't an Irish citizen can claim social welfare or social housing unless they have 25 years of PRSI contributions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I remember not too long ago claiming that there were minority irish living or employment areas would have been considered right wing racist propaganda.

    Now the open borders crew talk it up. Shifts in goalposts like this are all too common as the larger populace start to notice significant changes in demographics.

    Cant claim everyone's a RACIST, so a new form of gaslighting appears.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yeah but the ones who do work are doing the jobs Irish people won't do, so without them Ireland will just collapse!

    There's always a new spin to be put on this. Just look at how fast it went from "it's not happening" to "it's happening and it's great" with regards to Irish / European places becoming minority native and white.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,878 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's possible to have lots of foreigners on the dole and lots of foreigners doing low-paying jobs very hard to fill with natives simultaneously though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It's also possible to be selective with who is allowed into this country. Which one you think it's better?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,712 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I'm happy to live in a multicultural Ireland. I think it's fantastic to see immigrants coming here and making a future for themselves.

    I've no major issues with immigrants but at the same time I don't see how it's "fantastic"

    What exactly makes it "fantastic" ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,540 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Better takeaways and restuarants… apparently! I thought that one had died as a reason about a year ago.

    It's certainly fantastic for the new arrivals alright - after all, they're only here to get what we have! Not to become Irish or embrace our way of life (that's why all the efforts to support their culture and religions)

    It's not so fantastic for any Irish native who's paying for this through their taxes and seeing themselves or their kids outbid on housing by Councils and other State-backed (ie: tax-payer funded!) agencies.

    It's not so fantastic for any Irish native or their kids who are trying to find somewhere to rent either!

    It's not so fantastic for any Irish native who is now forced into competing for GP appointments, hospital procedures, school places, etc.

    It's not so fantastic for any Irish native who has seen their concerns about the rapid changes in their community dismissed as "racism" or "xenophobia" or "far-right".

    It's not so fantastic for the future of our small country whose population is less than most major cities and yet has taken a vastly disproportionate number of migrants, asylum seekers and random chancers in the space of a decade, and which will absolutely see the same negative effects we've seen in the UK and elsewhere as a result - likely far faster because of the scale involved!

    But hey, as long as your Chinese order is better tonight, it's all worth it, right?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Be careful around rail, another example of someone whose asylum was refused committing gruesome crime

    The victim, identified as Liana, was struck by a train traveling about 100 kilometers per hour (62 mph) after a 31-year-old Iraqi citizen allegedly shoved her onto the tracks.

    Usually we trail behind Germans by few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,604 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The immigrants who work in ICT, healthcare, etc. tend to work, pay taxes, be net contributors, and typically not require HAP.

    These are usually non-EU workers with employment visas.

    Most Irish people are reasonably okay with that.

    The problem is with immigrants that impose huge costs on the taxpayer. This is not "fantastic". Many people do have a problem with it.

    It does impose costs, billions of euro.

    Specifically, the 110,000 UKR refugees and the 160,000+ asylum-seekers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,540 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Honestly, I was previously fine with legal migration and MOSTLY still am. At least they're applying through the correct channels, and contributing both with their effort/labor and their taxes.

    But recent experience of reports in the media, here and elsewhere, and with trying to find a new rental property myself has made me question just how many people we can actually take - regardless of how they get here. Every viewing (those that responded) had multiple non-national people at it as well.

    I've no issue with that in itself to be clear (everyone needs somewhere to live) - but we can only sustain so many people as a country. As others have said though, maybe we need to be looking at limitations and qualification conditions regardless of arrival method.

    What's more is that with signs of the economy potentially slowing, what happens then? Just as in 2008, many will feck off as they've no loyalty to Ireland - they're just here for the best economic opportunities or to build nest eggs back home, which leaves the rest of us picking up the pieces (again!) and saddled with the remainder and the welfare bill.

    I'm a big believer that "charity begins at home". We're not solving our own (in some cases decades long!) problems, yet we're blindly accepting the problems and demands of anyone who arrives. Why are our own people and issues less important?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    But we have legal obligations….then there’s the sacrosanct 1951 Geneva convention….not to mention the Irish went to other countries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,540 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Oh I know - and yet… when the Financial Crisis occured, or Covid hit, all those "obligations", "laws", and "rights" were just bent, changed or outright ignored overnight! Funny how that worked!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,118 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think most people agreed that was a bad thing. well for the financial crisis anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Eh of course the majority are from Ireland…we are in Ireland in case you’d forgotten and the taxes we pay for our social safety net should be going to Irish people

    When you look at it in per capita terms (as statistics of this nature always should be) non Irish are heavily over represented - 36% of those on job seekers coming from only 20% of the population. Is that not alarming to you?

    Do you not see an issue with how easily people with no connection to the country can arrive here and reap the benefits of our system despite having never contributed to it at all?

    And before you continue your distasteful, classist rant about the Irish “bottom feeders” who have also never contributed to our system I would ask who else’s responsibility should they be other than Ireland’s?
    Do you think Ireland should be liable to look after the entire world’s “bottom feeders” as you’d call them too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Can we really get authentic Chinese, Indian and Thai food here? I find that most of these resteraunts still serve Irish versions of these and are pretty poor. I would be all for the authentic ones but they seem rare in the west of Ireland anyway.

    Also, Irish food was never boring, we always had incredible food. For some strange reason most Irish people would not eat it though, I don't know why. Plenty Irish still say they don't like seafood, hard to explain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And again, you didn't read the article with research data that makes clear that what you are parroting is wrong ..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    All you say is its wrong but provide no evidance try again .



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