Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

It's both isn't it? You think students can work cleaning hotels and offices on weekdays?

The attitude of @Goldengirl and @Thelonious Monk for long term unemployment and controlling immigration numbers is that nothing can be done and it’s going to happen anyway so why bother

This attitude proves the point that @_Kaiser_ and @Sunny Disposition made. ah shur do nothing as it’s gonna happen and it’ll be grand attitudes are not going to fix this mess

What if students don't want those jobs? And you're not going to fill all these positions without immigrants, you may not like it but that's how it is these days.

We don't really have unemployment though we're the envy of Europe with our current level of employment. I never said nothing can be done about immigration I'm just saying it would be nigh impossible for businesses to fully staff these days without some immigrants doing the low paid jobs.

I never said they were. It's funny because even mega insular Japan are somewhat reliant on immigrant labour for agriculture and caring for old people. They give them temporary visas though. It seems no one has figured out a way to manage with no immigration, rich countries anyway.

As much sense in three sentences as I. Hundreds of posts! Completely true, very obvious really, but surprisingly divisive.

Indeed. Unemployment in the 15-24 age group is at 9.9%. It's shocking this is allowed to fester.

Unemployment Labour Force Survey Quarter 4 2024 - Central Statistics Office

Couple that with the post I had a few days ago about 1 million young Brits also unemployed, one couldn't be faulted for thinking that there is a co-ordinated policy of keeping youth unemployment high:

EU youth unemployment 2024, by country| Statista

Only four countries in the EU have below 10% youth unemployment. (Ireland was 10.2% last June, only falling to 9.9% by the end of last year).

Or you could just bring in unlimited numbers of foreigners, save the wealthy having to pay the Irish more, that’ll also drive up property prices and cause a housing crisis, which will make the wealthy wealthier.

And still we have this shoite about the jobs the Irish don’t want to do, wasn’t St Patrick an immigrant etc.

Exactly. Anyone peddling that bull needs to give their head a wobble. Immature school-yard talk is all it is - but it's all the student union politics brigade have to justify for what they're advocating.

younger people, can’t buy houses so leave the country as colossal numbers of foreigners come here, can’t afford to have children, utterly frustrated by the cost of living. The cost of property has gone into orbit after a generation of very high immigration and our own young people are the victims.

One could not be faulted for thinking this is all co-ordinated. Look at the stats above I posted about youth unemployment across the EU. Youth unemployment levels have not very changed much since the global recession of 2008.

People may well turn to far right populists unless the centre parties show some cop on and introduce some genuinely centrist policies on immigration.

It's already underway across good chunks of Europe. It's probably 5-10 years off happening here yet though.

when the elephant in the room is cultural erosion of the indigenous population.

I'd like to see some real life examples of this cultural erosion.

I'm not really seeing it in my day to day.

You seem to only look on it one way, There are migrants to Ireland who work damn hard. And those who move to disadvantaged areas force the Irish there to up their game. A work ethic shows the natives up. As the migrant wants to succeed, better themselves and their family.

Irish migrants to Australia, USA, Uk all did this in the past.

Also only for migrants where would our healthcare system be? In the past nurses in the UK and Australia from Ireland were integral to those healthcare systems. As Indians are to the Irish healthcare system now, for example.

This fact below remains looks like you desperately want me to agree with you by changing the narrative . I repeat they will remain here and numbers of asylum seekers can be added and why not with such welfare payments . What I meant was comparing the past before Ukranians and the increased number of asylum seekers came in recent years is meaningless . The situatation now is what is of concern . Hope that has sunk in .

''36% of those in receipt of Jobseekers Allowance in 2023 were non-Irish nationals and that the total number of non-nationals in receipt of unemployment payments had almost doubled to 57,798 over the same period''