Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768240#Comment_123768240

Most if not all people can smell the next recession in the air, it's only around the corner. This is why you see a massive expansion of government at present as those doing the shilling for Govt want to be effectively insulated from the consequences when the next recession hits. RTE getting massive public funding, newspaper journalists and independent radio stations craving for public funding, NGOs want more and more funding, the list goes on. These shills who have clapped on the country's demise like water park seals want the financial safety net of the public purse to ride out the collapse when it arrives. They make the bankers of the last recession look like fookin alter boys in comparison.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768413#Comment_123768413

The only thing they promised was a strong economy and job creation. If that fails. They're completely useless along with all the other failed promises

As usual they'll blame everything else under the sun.

At the same time saying we need more unhindered migration to bring us out of economic upheaval. Which will all be blatant lies.

Text book with these lot @@%%

greenfield21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768476#Comment_123768476

They have absolutely zero say in what US MNCs do next and that all that matters from an Irish perspective. When that domino falls then we will see change, people have been waiting for decades for irelands economy to fall and we have avoided all downsides.

You only have to look at this article today, Ireland won't be able to build apartments or houses unless we continue as we are. That's the best argument they got now... make it make sense…

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2025/0830/1530834-reducing-immigration-unlikely-to-help-housing-crisis/

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768497#Comment_123768497

Seem to congratulate themselves enough for how we fair in this regard though even if it is out of their hands.

"So, while less immigration growth might dampen some of the demand for housing it would also crimp the supply of new homes"

So this is the crux of the argument seems pretty lame to me. Considering demand would still be high.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123767895#Comment_123767895

How is it the latest word? It's been around for decades at least.

Glenomra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768413#Comment_123768413

I don't contribute much to any forum, but you are totally correct. Loads of indicators; closures of small retail shops, restaurants etc. I am part of a very wide family and social circle, a legacy of the large Irish family and hurling scene, and most people I meet are remarking on the increased cost of living particularly on food and electricity together with the issue of unregulated migration to Ireland. I don't know whether the authorities know it or no, but there's a huge amount of discontent simmering just below the surface.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768497#Comment_123768497

A blatant propaganda piece to test peoples intelligence. Reads like it was created by AI also.

I’d consider it disingenuous.

It is possible to have more targeted non EU immigration, whatever people say.

That means allowing in people with vital skills, which can mean allowing in blocklayers, plumbers and carpenters. But that shouldn’t happen at the expense of Irish guys, or the problem never gets solved. Apprenticeships need to be more attractive, and that needs to be a long term change.

Very few people would argue that no immigration at all should take place. That’d be insane, something like North Korea might attempt.

Language students, people working in Twitter, people who might take unskilled jobs; Ireland will manage fine if people immigrating for those purposes don’t arrive.

That RTE article is flawed because it’s responding to an argument that no sensible person would make.

Disingenuous.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768796#Comment_123768796

how would you fill unskilled jobs going forward though? cleaners in hotels and offices, kitchen staff, all are heavily reliant on immigration. do you think we can get these jobs filled with irish people? i wouldn't have thought so.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768806#Comment_123768806

Yes students and people who don’t want to work in offices could do those jobs. You’re assuming everyone has a degree and wants to work in an office. Some people want part time flexible work for a variety of reasons.

You probably don’t mean it like this but saying that those jobs can only be done by immigrants is looking out for the interests of capitalism. Irish people who are struggling to find accommodation in our worst housing crisis ever because of unsustainable numbers should not suffer in the interests of capitalism

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768806#Comment_123768806

There are plenty of long-term able-bodied unemployed in Ireland who should be forced into these roles once on the jobseekers for a set amount of time, i.e. 3 to 6 months. We need a total reform of social welfare in this country to ensure that people drifting week to week on jobseekers is not an attractive option.

In addition, there are lots of secondary school students idle during the weekends and school holidays who are effectively shut out of the jobs market and mostly because of stupid regulations. Every student should be able to pick up menial jobs in retail, hospitality, etc… and get experience under their belts to set themselves up with good work ethic for their life ahead.

Removing employers PRSI for U25s would be a great start in encouraging employers to tap into this pool of labour.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768854#Comment_123768854

there aren't plenty of long term able bodied unemployed, aren't we at full employment? the few who don't work are not going to be reliable employees anyway. i always worked at weekends and summer holidays from about 16 onwards so i'm not sure anything is stopping them now either.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768859#Comment_123768859

Sorry for assuming your general age but things were very different from when you were 16. What’s stopping many students getting work is that part time jobs are hard to find. For obvious reasons

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768584#Comment_123768584

The authorities know it and only too damn well, they just don't give a toss. This government's priorities can be summed up as an ongoing project to increase the population by mass-migration, rewarding corporates while neglecting SMEs, ever increasing carbon taxes and stealth taxes and the push for hate-speech legislation to sideline and silence anyone calling it all out. The current government know that the composition of the opposition would only put the foot to the floor and drive on harder with all of the above, so they know they are safe in power.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768872#Comment_123768872

there were less jobs in the 90s, no? i used to wash dishes at the weekends from 5th year onwards, surely you can get kitchen porter jobs and the likes easily enough these days if you want?

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768859#Comment_123768859

There are near 50,000 on long-term (12mths+) jobseekers in Ireland with over a quarter of those in Dublin alone:

Major focus needed to get long term Jobseekers back to work – O’Shea - Fine Gael

That's two years worth of mass-migration right there, staring the government in the face.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768887#Comment_123768887

i mean you're probably aware that long term jobseekers are generally not the kind you'd want to employ anyway and wouldn't be someone you'd trust with a job.

1000s of them would be heroin addicts for e.g.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768889#Comment_123768889

I’m sure goldengirl will be saying shame on you for that post /S

Making it more attractive for people to stay on welfare instead of working is part of the problem. The answer to fixing generations of social welfare dependents is not to just leave them be out on the streets. A sense of purpose and a job is better than being idle all day turning to crime and drugs. But that’s a topic for another thread

Mod Edit: Warned for baiting and trolling

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768887#Comment_123768887

I doubt many Roma Gpysies are in paid employment. 70% of Africans who have received citizenship are not in paid employment. The ipas system should be decoupled and linked to a green card system linked to employment. Basically remove all the pull factors that are obviously there in welfare.

The Concept of socially subsidising EU and non EU citizens here for life is a fools errand. We can never built enough housing for that because the demand will never decline.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768924#Comment_123768924

yes and who would ever employ a roma gypsy? they have no interest in participating in work or society. are they able to just come here and go on the housing list or how does it work? is there some european agreement that every country has to deal with them somewhat?

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768941#Comment_123768941

Well they are getting A rated council houses somehow ~ bonkers stuff.

OneEightSeven

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donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123766770#Comment_123766770

Why exactly is Dr Al Qadri a looney?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Al-Qadri

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768941#Comment_123768941

Not that long ago to say some groups are here to take advantage and have no interest in integrating would have been considered far right and racist. Progress

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768941#Comment_123768941

Why are Roma gypsies in Ireland in the first place? Why are they being let in from non-EU states? As you say they have no interest in working, so begs the question - how and why are they here. If they happen to hold EU citizenship, they can be served with a removal order after 90 days here as per EU legislation. Either way it should be nigh on impossible for them to get established here. Do you think it's a good idea that they get to be here?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768992#Comment_123768992

well i think for them it's a good idea to be here as they get a free house and other benefits. they are of no benefit to our society though but you can see why they come here. i think all of them have eu citizenship from hungary and slovakia and romania and other countries. as a culture they are a complete enigma to me, even stranger than our own travellers.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768992#Comment_123768992

Unfortunately they do have EU citizenship, most of them are coming from Romania and Bulgaria. And because Ireland has no immigration or residence or welfare entitlement restrictions they will stay here and even get benefits.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123769150#Comment_123769150

i don't think someone from spain or portugal can come here and just go on the housing list and get the dole, are roma people treated differently? they must be.

Cordell

Not on the dole, that is work related. But they probably claim things like child benefit and single parent benefit and whatever.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123766960#Comment_123766960

Exactly.

Poster presents past as present in article containing that misinformation to its readers .

I refuted it with a more updated report by ESRI which shows that in fact the opposite of what has been claimed is true .

You interject then with a statement that reinforces mine , although I am sure you did not intend to !