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Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

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  • #7262
    bren2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭bren2001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759384#Comment_123759384

    I'm being tongue-in-cheek calling it a decrease when mathematically it's an increase.

    Odd to double down in your reply then….

    You accept its a pay increase. I'm glad you've rowed back your comment.



  • #7263
    Cape Clear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759494#Comment_123759494

    Some are more exposed to inflation than others . Those that managed to buy a house circa 2012 have probably never seen a day of negative equity and got good bang for their buck.

    This is a completely different scenario for renting families.



  • #7264
    skidmarkoner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭skidmarkoner


    Honestly there should just be a union survey circulated to test bothhow the pay deal has hit people's pockets, I can afford less now than last year and I've gone up 2 grades this year so I personally feel it's has done nothing to improve my situation. 10k up and I'm still struggling to pay bills and keep food on the table.



  • #7265
    Alonzo Mosley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Alonzo Mosley


    The real sickner is they sold us a pup with local bargaining being included in the overall figure and now it won't even be delivered on time.



  • #7266
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,730 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123762096#Comment_123762096

    I'll be firmly against any local bargaining provisions in the next pay deal when it's negotiated. Current situation appears to be an absolute farce.



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  • #7267
    chipfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 538 ✭✭✭chipfox


    the last bulletin said "The parties will re-convene on 27th August. In the meantime, work will continue between the parties to agree on the detail of the established pay relationships between professional and technical grades and the marker grades."

    maybe we'll get another update tomorrow?



  • #7268
    bren2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭bren2001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123762276#Comment_123762276

    I'll be firmly against any local bargaining provisions in the next pay deal when it's negotiated. Current situation appears to be an absolute farce.

    Already agreed at 2%. Of course, new deal still needs to be agreed and voted through but the unions have already agreed it in principle.

    Personally, I think farce is a bit strong of a word. I'd imagine the deal will be back dated when agreed. Its disappointing to see the lack of engagement from the government on it.



  • #7269
    Alonzo Mosley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Alonzo Mosley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123763664#Comment_123763664

    It is a farce. There has been plenty of time for both sides to get their acts together. We were told that local bargaining is innovative and beneficial to all. Meanwhile prices are rocketing and we are left sitting here like ducks.

    I take your point that monies will be backdated but that's of no any help to the fella with no money in his bank account and can't buy groceries.



  • #7270
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,785 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123765156#Comment_123765156

    That may well be more of a reflection on the individuals spending andbmoney management habits than.on the union or the system. A 2% pay rise on 800/ week is 16 euro before tax or about a tenner after. If you have no money in the bank or to buy groceries a tenner a week will not resolve your money issues.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123761724#Comment_123761724

    If your wages have gone up 10k/ year and you have not managed to see a difference in your situation it's a reflection on your money management skills.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123760037#Comment_123760037

    There was plenty of option to buy propert even after 2012 it's just some people dud not priorise it. Many had unrealistic dreams of forever homes in D4 or elsewhere instead of climbing the ladder.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #7271
    bren2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭bren2001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123765156#Comment_123765156

    There has been plenty of time for both sides to get their acts together

    Forsa submitted their first claim on December 19th, 2024. I fail to see how Forsa didn't have their act together.

    I know Forsa do not represent everyone but they are just an example (I'm SIPTU)

    Meanwhile prices are rocketing and we are left sitting here like ducks.

    I don't think you understand what local bargaining is. Local bargaining is not a general pay rise to combat inflation.

    Local bargaining is a specific process within the public sector pay deal that allows for direct negotiations between unions and employers for a particular group of workers. Its purpose is to address specific, long-standing issues that are unique to that group, such as correcting pay scale anomalies, addressing recruitment and retention challenges or recognising changes in work practices and responsibilities. While it can result in a pay increase, it's tied to these structural issues, not the broader economic pressures of the day.

    When implemented, theres zero guarantee that you will receive a pay increase.

    I take your point that monies will be backdated but that's of no any help to the fella with no money in his bank account and can't buy groceries.

    I agree but I don't know what you expect the Unions to do. The Government have not sat down with them. The agreement we signed states in Section 4.2.4: "No form of industrial action shall be taken by any party….". Couple that with Section 4.3.4 saying that if agreement can not be reached through direct negotiations then it goes to the WRC and then the Labour Court.

    I really struggle to see what the farce here is on the Union side.



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  • #7272
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,730 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    For clarity, I'm not suggesting the current farce is down to the unions. DPER are clearly dragging their heels and have delayed the process. I don't really care though, I'll be advocating for a simpler pay deal going forward. One which does not give DPER the ability to obfuscate and obstruct implementation. I’m sorry – if the Unions can’t force DPER to keep the local bargaining element on track then I do not want to see it in future agreements. Simple as from my perspective.

    I know in my own sector it's looking very unlikely that the local bargaining element will be up and running in September.



  • #7273
    skidmarkoner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭skidmarkoner


    Unions can't call a strike over breaching the pay deal, so what bite does the union have? Local bargaining hasn't been agreed and it was supposed to be paid out allready.

    It's the 1st today there should be noise a minimum about this, but nothing…



  • #7274
    bren2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭bren2001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123774752#Comment_123774752

    Go to the WRC and then the Labour Court. If both of those fail, they could take industrial action (or at least that’s how I interpret the deal). However, I don’t think anyone is going to ballot for industrial action of 1% local bargaining.

    The parties reconvened on the 27th. I imagine further discussions will take place before there is any noise.



  • #7275
    skidmarkoner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭skidmarkoner


    Sorry what I mean by noise is even just an email from the union updating members of what's next. 1% bargaining is on DPER and shouldn't have been delayed by summer recess if that was the case both sides should have set a more realistic timeline for it.

    Eitherway it's making the union look weak IMO.



  • #7276
    bren2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭bren2001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123774832#Comment_123774832

    I agree that communication from the unions is poor.

    I’d disagree that it makes them look weak but that’s just a different opinion. I can see where you’re coming from.

    I wouldn’t imagine the election fell at the right time for this but it was known when the deal was signed approximately when the elections were (last 2024/early 2025 being the most likely period)



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