Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759384#Comment_123759384

I'm being tongue-in-cheek calling it a decrease when mathematically it's an increase.

Odd to double down in your reply then….

You accept its a pay increase. I'm glad you've rowed back your comment.

Cape Clear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759494#Comment_123759494

Some are more exposed to inflation than others . Those that managed to buy a house circa 2012 have probably never seen a day of negative equity and got good bang for their buck.

This is a completely different scenario for renting families.

skidmarkoner

Honestly there should just be a union survey circulated to test bothhow the pay deal has hit people's pockets, I can afford less now than last year and I've gone up 2 grades this year so I personally feel it's has done nothing to improve my situation. 10k up and I'm still struggling to pay bills and keep food on the table.

Alonzo Mosley

The real sickner is they sold us a pup with local bargaining being included in the overall figure and now it won't even be delivered on time.

Sierra Oscar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123762096#Comment_123762096

I'll be firmly against any local bargaining provisions in the next pay deal when it's negotiated. Current situation appears to be an absolute farce.

chipfox

the last bulletin said "The parties will re-convene on 27th August. In the meantime, work will continue between the parties to agree on the detail of the established pay relationships between professional and technical grades and the marker grades."

maybe we'll get another update tomorrow?

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123762276#Comment_123762276

I'll be firmly against any local bargaining provisions in the next pay deal when it's negotiated. Current situation appears to be an absolute farce.

Already agreed at 2%. Of course, new deal still needs to be agreed and voted through but the unions have already agreed it in principle.

Personally, I think farce is a bit strong of a word. I'd imagine the deal will be back dated when agreed. Its disappointing to see the lack of engagement from the government on it.

Alonzo Mosley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123763664#Comment_123763664

It is a farce. There has been plenty of time for both sides to get their acts together. We were told that local bargaining is innovative and beneficial to all. Meanwhile prices are rocketing and we are left sitting here like ducks.

I take your point that monies will be backdated but that's of no any help to the fella with no money in his bank account and can't buy groceries.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123765156#Comment_123765156

That may well be more of a reflection on the individuals spending andbmoney management habits than.on the union or the system. A 2% pay rise on 800/ week is 16 euro before tax or about a tenner after. If you have no money in the bank or to buy groceries a tenner a week will not resolve your money issues.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123761724#Comment_123761724

If your wages have gone up 10k/ year and you have not managed to see a difference in your situation it's a reflection on your money management skills.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123760037#Comment_123760037

There was plenty of option to buy propert even after 2012 it's just some people dud not priorise it. Many had unrealistic dreams of forever homes in D4 or elsewhere instead of climbing the ladder.

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123765156#Comment_123765156

There has been plenty of time for both sides to get their acts together

Forsa submitted their first claim on December 19th, 2024. I fail to see how Forsa didn't have their act together.

I know Forsa do not represent everyone but they are just an example (I'm SIPTU)

Meanwhile prices are rocketing and we are left sitting here like ducks.

I don't think you understand what local bargaining is. Local bargaining is not a general pay rise to combat inflation.

Local bargaining is a specific process within the public sector pay deal that allows for direct negotiations between unions and employers for a particular group of workers. Its purpose is to address specific, long-standing issues that are unique to that group, such as correcting pay scale anomalies, addressing recruitment and retention challenges or recognising changes in work practices and responsibilities. While it can result in a pay increase, it's tied to these structural issues, not the broader economic pressures of the day.

When implemented, theres zero guarantee that you will receive a pay increase.

I take your point that monies will be backdated but that's of no any help to the fella with no money in his bank account and can't buy groceries.

I agree but I don't know what you expect the Unions to do. The Government have not sat down with them. The agreement we signed states in Section 4.2.4: "No form of industrial action shall be taken by any party….". Couple that with Section 4.3.4 saying that if agreement can not be reached through direct negotiations then it goes to the WRC and then the Labour Court.

I really struggle to see what the farce here is on the Union side.

Sierra Oscar

For clarity, I'm not suggesting the current farce is down to the unions. DPER are clearly dragging their heels and have delayed the process. I don't really care though, I'll be advocating for a simpler pay deal going forward. One which does not give DPER the ability to obfuscate and obstruct implementation. I’m sorry – if the Unions can’t force DPER to keep the local bargaining element on track then I do not want to see it in future agreements. Simple as from my perspective.

I know in my own sector it's looking very unlikely that the local bargaining element will be up and running in September.