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Irish rail fleet and infrastructure plans

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭BestWestern


    Yes, it needs more frequency and better timetabling too.

    The 18:05 ex limerick sits in Ennis for an age. It's as if they are making the service particularly bad so nobody will use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,048 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Aside from the lack of available rolling stock, that’s not really feasible until passing loops are added between Limerick and Ennis. The 40 minute signal section means that the line is heavily restricted in what can be offered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,574 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    It's unbelievable that in 2025 there's no passing loop between LK and Ennis.

    You'd wonder why one wasn't added during the rebuild.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭BestWestern


    The line south of ennis has a 50mph or lower speed restriction on it too. In comparison to the M18, it's amazing that it gets the ridership it does.

    North of ennis a lot of the line is an impressive 80mph.

    Getting Limerick to Ennis to a 90minute gap between services would be a huge improvement to what's there today, but eventually linking it to the proposed hourly connection from limerick to Dublin would really grow the traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Drogheda can't cope with maintenance on the 29k units at the moment. There seems to be very little resilience in the system for sets going down. As it is, sets with defective safety equipment are going back into service, rather than being fixed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,363 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    The 80mph north of Ennis isn’t over very much of it, as the 2025 Network Statement shows. (Pp88-89). Better than Ennis-Limerick, to be sure, but must be taxing for the driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    I've contacted IE over that way back in 2022, asking why the service just won't be delayed by about 20' out of Limerick to reduce the standing time in Ennis. The response was that they tried that at one stage or another, but have had pressure from locals using that to Sixmilebridge and Ennis to have it depart from Limerick earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,211 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Their response makes sense. Why ask the people going between Limerick and Ennis to sit around and wait an extra 20 minutes after work so that you can wait in one station rather than another.

    The line needs more passing points though. It's crazy no loop was put in Sixmilebridge for instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,048 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Loops are planned between Limerick and Ennis as part of the LSMATS programme.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,574 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Rather than the seven years taken to build a 820m passing loop in Oranmore, these sorts of small projects should take 12 months from CIE Board decision to go ahead to completion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,211 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Tieing stuff like this up with LSMATS is only wasting time. Sixmilebridge station should have had 2 lines from the start.

    Only a few weeks ago the entire line was blocked because a train was stuck at Sixmilebridge bridge due to an incident on a train.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,048 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That’s how government funding works unfortunately. It’s not going to happen otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,211 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I know it's the only way it's gonna happen now. It's just a pity like with ll public transport be built it under capacity at the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭DoctorPan


    Nah it's mostly down to the 29000s can't hit the section running times that the ICRs hit to meet the timetable demands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Would that be the case even on the slow lines? The PPT trains wouldn't be leaving the quad-tracked section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭DoctorPan


    Believe so, it's on parts of the south western lines that sees the 29000s drop off performance wise for the section timings that even with the longer stop times, the ICRs are faster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,439 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    29000 is limited to 70mph, its a long drag between Hazelhatch and Sallins and Newbridge which many of the PPT services run. The 100mph top speed makes a difference. I remember doing a 29k on that section years ago and it was full throttle the whole way.

    If you stick to the 4 track section only the 29k probably has a slight edge on overall timing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    That would make a difference alright, I wasn’t aware that some carried on to Newbridge. Any of the ones I got ended at Hazelhatch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,593 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Still the most unsuitable and inefficient train you can get for a suburban service though whatever the speed/timetable and the suburban services are suffering because of it with low capacity v numbers which can't continue.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,857 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The hideous dwell time of 22ks would offset some of the lost top speed and acceleration on Hazelhatch I'd expect. All academic as there's no indication it's happening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I do believe it is worth having the Hazelhatch terminators being a 29 if it releases a 22 in time when the cascading starts to happen.

    Some of the PPT services are very packed and the 22s are not suited for that type of service. The 29s shouldn’t run past the Hatch, due to their 70mph top speed. Even one 8 x 29 on a sweeper peak train each way would be a huge help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,439 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Timetable as it stands on PPT sets rotate around between HH and Newbridge so a complete rethink is required



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Hopefully Irish rail are proactive and begin training in the heuston drivers on the 29ks before the new darts come online, it's a no brainer to allow ircs to work other duties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,887 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    I think the dwell time is over estimated in respect of PPT services as things stand and a significent portion of perceived dwell time on Connolly side is mostly signilling related and timetable recovery. It's not a issue given the traffic volume on Heuson side.

    I don't think the 29s will ever be released for PPT and no reason why IE would waste time and resources to train drivers. I think there is sufficent capacity until it goes under the wires. Rostering wise I don't think changing would deliver much net capacity. Maybe one train set at peak times.

    The Belfast sets will likely return before 29k takes passegners via PPT.

    The case could be made that some PPT services have to much capacity since the set reformations but they will change with housing developments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,439 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Phase one is to get 22k's off Maynooth, M3 and Drogheda commuter runs and to replace them with 29k's

    Move any 4 coach 29K to 8

    Then potentially send 8-10 29k's to Cork to send the 2600's to Limerick/Galway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭Ireland trains


    Where are the 22k’s planned to go?
    Dundalk peak services, longer PPT trains?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,857 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Living up to their actual names - Inter City. There is a significant need for capacity on Sligo, Galway, Waterford etc etc.

    PPT services will all be DART in time also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Yeah, the 22000 just aren't designed for commuter work. Nightmare trying to get passengers on and off them on busy services, better served by 29000.



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