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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    For sure a new management at senior level would probaly generate a bit of excitement give a lot of lads that were on the fringes or had bad experiences a clean slate lads might be more likely to go in to the senior set up if given the call



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭Shirleysrumbler


    This "Mollycoddling" thing didn't work in past and I know Liam Cahill drew a line under that kind of silliness with Tipp. We have a few things going on here. Love them or hate them the likes of Donnelly,Mossy,BRyan & Deegan are cut out of the "Die for the Jersey" type that BCody promoted. Derek Lyng is seen as much more understanding re. players feelings etc.If fellas don't "Want it" that's their business and being an intercounty player means career,personal life etc. is sacrificed. I always tell the story of a good club hurler brought in by Cody C2002. At end of his first week Brian gives him feedback & tells him he'll see him in Kierans at 9AM on Sun.Says he to Brian"Jesus Brian thats a problem: Fri & Sat are my nights out dso I'll see you Tue". Your man actually played a bit of Jun this year at 44 years old.What a great stick man who was indeed a "Good Minor" and who's senior intercounty career lasted 1 week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 kinghenry1


    Beirne looks the part of an intercounty hurler andhopefully will commit.Marty Murphy also needs game time next year as well and both could make a big difference .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    Stupid comment we all know of stories of Cody treating players like **** on the fringes of the panel who probably had more to offer and walked away we had the luxury back then of having a great panel not so now

    You can’t treat young lads like crap and expect them to give you there time effort and commitment and expect them to keep coming back for more

    Yes you have to be hard and fair it is elite sport and harsh calls have to be made on match day squads and training panels but the days of ruling out it’s the iron fist are long gone

    You can’t be lovey dovey with players but there has to be a level of respect and honesty between players and management if lads don’t feel like there getting a fair crack of the whip they will stay well away from a county panel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 NJoyKkGAA


    I think the relevant word is “stories”. The reality is often half way between this person’s stories and the other person’s stories. Unless, we hear personally from individuals themselves, it is a story. A panel is a panel. Every player knows what is needed to move from panel to a player. They are all intelligent people. I am sure as county men, each of them understands, even if personally disappointed, that managers and selectors choose on any given day those they believe from observations at training, discussions with coaches, physios etc and from studying the opposition know the reality that hard calls have to be made. Whether that is to start, bring on or not play a player on a given day. No doubt they have to adapt to each game as it unfolds. It is a tough role. There will always be players disappointed but that is the nature of sport. Hopefully, constructive feedback encourages players to keep working towards their best selves. Whether it’s soccer, rugby, football some can step up and some despite their very best efforts might not, and if they cannot give any more, then they should be proud. As supporters we should support players, nothing more nothing less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    I agree completely my point was Cody could afford to let lads on the fringes go or move them on as the panel was so strong

    Lyng or who ever the new manager might be can’t afford to over look any player even someone that maybe hadn’t made the grade a few years back everyone needs to be looked at including players over 25

    We can’t go into another year of 12-13 of the same players starting a championship game like the previous few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    These are young players from the age of 19 to 23/24. Some of these players lack confidence, guidance and coaching in life as well as hurling. They might be intelligent/ they might not be, do they really know what's required until they get a taste of what is needed ? When Cody was there even some of the greats say he was a dog and gave very little feedback. Was Cody a great manager, absolutely, great motivator and speaker and keeping great players motivated. But when he did not have the squad at his disposal for his last 7 years he did not deliver an All Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    It's not about "mollycoddling" as you say, it's about having respect for players. These lads trained hard all year getting very little or no game time and then were dropped a few days before an AI semi final, that's understandably going to piss lads off and they are very unlikely to want to do it again the following season. There was nothing wrong with these lads commitment or desire to play for Kilkenny but when you are discarded like that you can't blame lads for not wanting to waste their time going in for it to happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Senditinlow


    Derek Lyng to remain in charge of senior hurlers as Kilkenny eye an end to All-Ireland famine – via https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/derek-lyng-to-remain-in-charge-of-senior-hurlers-as-kilkenny-eye-an-end-to-all-ireland-famine/a1191863820.htmlDerek Lyng to remain in charge of senior hurlers as Kilkenny eye an end to All-Ireland famine – via https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/derek-lyng-to-remain-in-charge-of-senior-hurlers-as-kilkenny-eye-an-end-to-all-ireland-famine/a1191863820.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    I can't say I'm surprised he's staying but I also can't say I'm happy. As has been pointed out above Derek appears to have burnt bridges with players that in reality Kilkenny will need next year and it's hard seeing too many of them going back into the same setup.

    The only thing that might help is that now with Derek staying and Huw Lawlor going there will be at least one place up for grabs. Although of all the players we have, the last one I'd want to see heading out the door is Huw. There is talk of at least 3 more KK starters also seriously considering going away when the club season is over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    Is the Huw Lawlor thing confirmed or rumour?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    It was nailed on that he would stay and be rubber stamped with no thorough review of his time in charge.

    I think the players that hang up their boots will be telling. Tj in particular will be interesting.

    This IMO will go one way or the other. He has the honour of being the only KK manager to last 3 seasons without winning an AI. Thats going back to Fr Tommy appointment in 1957. Only Healy and Brennan lasted 2 years without success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Town legend


    It will be far worse for whoever is coming after him(and the county) if he doesn't remove lads that are past their sell by date and bring in new blood for the season coming.

    Needs to show bottle now and not more of the same groundhog day rigmarole thats been going on and Id rather get behind a new crop with potential than the alternative.Seems way too cozy in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    The issue now is it a one year or more contract. IMO and I am sure more experienced posters would say it will take minimum of 2 years and probably 3 years to rebuild the senior team. If Huw travels and TJ retires he is in serious trouble. I think there other players like Blanchfield that might call it a day. He needs to find a CB and a FB possibly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Was talking to someone who would definitely know and they said, he's going as soon as OLG's club season is over. 2 more OLG men thinking of going with him but not decided yet. Will decide when their finished with the club.

    The issue I see is as pointed out above, those that are in the next sphere of options have already had a bad experience with this setup or have already refused an invite. I can't see too many of them availing of the opportunity to join the same setup next year, I hope I'm wrong. From talking to 1 or 2 that I've meet, they would have no interest in getting involved with the current setup.

    If, as is needed 4-5 players finish up and a few more go travelling, before you know it you will have no choice but to have a largely new team. The issue is will there be the best competition for those places if some of the best of the rest of the counties hurlers won't agree to go in.

    For me it's just delaying the inevitable and putting us another year further down the road in terms of a rebuild. I would fear for the team and setup next year things could get nasty and I really hope they don't. Derek and all involved are trying their best, the issue is that up to now it hasn't been enough too get us over the line. I don't see that changing, I hope I'm wrong and we're sitting here as All Ireland champions this time next year.

    A new voice and setup would have a better chance of breathing life into those that are there, enticing new players in and find it easier to get rid of those that the current setup might feel loyalty too. Anyway it's not happening and Derek and Kilkenny will have my support but I fear the patience and fuse of many will be very short.



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