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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    2 games then a week off and 2 more games and a week off again would make more sense would allow players coming back from travelling or America to get up to speed and would give any players injured in round 1 a bit of extra time to get back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭kksaints


    Is the schedule done as to avoid a clash with Electric Picnic as there doesn't seem to be any matches scheduled that weekend?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Mad about baa baas


    Henry and herity are an interesting combination..they are different in many ways and might just click together .henry is fairly old school where as id imagine herity would be more likely to try new things.

    herity seems to be a very deep thinker and student of the game..and henry would certainly be more animated on the psideline than the current management team

    A cool head is obviously needed but there are times when a team needs to see their management being passionate and fighting for them i believe .it will be very interesting to see how they go with Ballyhale and if they do stick together at some point for a county job..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    Oh it definetly is scheduled that way for that reason I still don’t see why it’s all cramped together and a lot of players are playing 3 weeks in a row and possibly 2 games in 24 or 72hrs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    very informative bigger. I suggested a while back that anything outside the ring road went to the equivalent club I.e. Bennetsbridge,Danesfort parts of Ballycallan all taken from the village Ballycallan, Tullaroan,and Threecastles from the Boro. And Conahy, Muckalee and Clara from the O’ loughlin side, although they would be giving up Hugh tracks of territory. The county council should also be encouraged to build small housing estates in the likes of Johnstown where there wasn’t a council estate built in forty years while Urlingford got a couple of housing estates with at least sixty houses in each estate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    fair play Ned , I misinterpreted that, tired in the evenings, that’s my excuse anyway. On the Henry thing, I would certainly have him as U20 manager, some people disagreeing but would want to suggest alternatives the more all these names are thrown out there the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,194 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Mullally, Dowling, and Hogan are all to one degree or another proven managers at a high level, and it should be a priority to be getting as many of these guys into the county set up, at whatever level they are needed, as is possible. And all of these guys need to be on the same page with one another as regards what kind of identity we are building as a hurling county, and what we want to achieve at all levels. No more miscommunications between u20 and senior about who is being played on a given weekend, and definitely no more excuses about not knowing what the rules are around that. And it's not just about getting the right managers in and coordinating them properly, it's about how the rest of the system is integrated with that. A clear path forward for the development squads is now clearly long overdue. They now also need to replace Michael fennelly and doing so with the right person will be as important as any manager appointment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    I personally can't have Brian Hogans name up there as a potential manager. Won a county with a stacked defence and as soon as they lost Luke Hogan they had a complete meltdown in last years final and should've been knocked out by the Boro before that. Their backroom team is serious as well and I'd imagine Skehan is doing all the coaching with Mickey Comerford all the S&C. Obviously you need someone to bring it all together but whenever I heard him on Dalys podcast I wasn't thinking this guys a genius. Similar to Tommy on OTB. I loved TW as a player and I love his personality but manager material? Nah... He's a vibes guy. He'd do a job as a selector but don't see him as main man or main coach material. I presume Coogan is doing the bulk of the Tullaroan coaching but maybe someone else will know more.

    Brian Dowling, I'm torn on. Has done a great job with Kildare. Did a good job with the camogie before that and listening to him he clearly knows his stuff. I might have said this before but he probably has as big an influence on the KK underage set up as anyone in his current role as Kierans manager. Kierans already have an exaggerated role when players hit the gap between U17 and U20 and I'm not sure putting in a Kierans man is the right move. I think 12 of the 18 players who played minutes in the U20 final this year were Kierans players. Are we really to believe that 66% of the best hurlers in Kilkenny from ages 18-20 went to school in Kierans?

    Very easy for me to question the names put forward but I honestly don't know who should get the jobs. Just because a man was an incredible hurler doesn't mean he'll make a good manager or coach. It just means he'll get more opportunity to showcase it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,194 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    In fairness neither mullally nor Dowling were "incredible hurlers" so that's nothing to do with the evaluation here. Think you're a little harsh on Hogan there though, no credit for the win, but then he gets the blame for the loss (you might have a point on the loss the next year to be fair, but he came in and won a county final and went a long way after that as well, no team ever won a county medal without having a load of good players). Also, to be fair, I didn't say that he should be made senior manager, I gave three names of guys who should be brought into the County set up at some level, as part of a general shake up where we try and bring in people at all age grades who have been running teams in a way that's tactically astute and forward looking. If there's no place for Brian Hogan in the entire kilkenny county set up then we must be in a great position in terms of managerial talent!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    When are the Arrabawn and Tony forrestal competitions on?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Stripeyman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭randd1


    Personally speaking, I don't think they need to split it into a new club. Given total power, what I'd do is limit the catchment area to the ring road, and anything beyond that goes to existing clubs.

    I'm not 100% sure, but I think Danesfort, Clara, Tullaroan, Threecastles (definitely need the numbers), Bennetsbridge, Conahy, Graigue/Ballycallan, I think they all border the town clubs. If a map was re-drawn to bring them into the ring road, that would help with numbers, and definitely help with future numbers.

    Obviously some boundary would have to be re-structured regarding the Village's grounds, but the town will expand eventually, and will see more people move from rural areas into it. Moving the neighbouring cubs borders towards the ring road might a more feasible way of preventing an overload of numbers with the town teams, and giving existing clubs more members, and maybe in the long run (20/30 years down the line) a more even spread of the population.

    At the very least, there should be a parentage/grandparent rule in place. A lad having family in a rural area should be allowed to transfer from a town team, but with clear restrictions (no moving up a level eg, junior to intermediate, players moving would have to commit to at least 5 years with the new club, etc.).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭lob it in


    Anybody know what's going on with Carrickshock and Threecastles in the Junior A ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭mooz


    Carrickshock beat Threecastles in the Junior A semifinal......or am I missing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭lob it in


    They did alright, i just see a fixture put up on the Kk site for tomorrow evening must be an error..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    As far as i gather Michael Rice played but was never regraded, making him illegal. Threecastles appealed as a result



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭lob it in


    Thanks Village I thought something was up alright,I heard the result in the Junior A releagation final is also gone to an appeal ,Ballyragget beat O,loughlins the game went to extratime but Ballyragget brought on 5 subs in extratime when your only allowed to bring on 3,O,loughins have appealed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    Interesting. I seen the fixture up and thought it strange



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭KK36


    Do you not get thrown out for fielding an illegal player? Interesting that a replay has been fixed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Sir Chaz


    Yeh I'd have thought that as well? Not much incentive to avoid playing illegal players if all will happen is that you have to replay the game.

    I see the Village won the Minor A league very comfortably tonight.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,194 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Fairly brazen as well, it's not like nobody was going to recognize him!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭neverbet


    Whether the team has regressed or not is up for discussion. We have been consistently in the top three in Lyngs time despite this perceived regression and very narrowly beaten by the eventual champions the past two years having lost the'23 final to one of the greatest teams in the history of the game. This years semi was one of the best displays from a KK team in recent years. We were denied a potential All Ireland spot primarily by an error on the part of Croke Park that has never been properly accounted for. Our biggest problem imo is the lack of elite talent coming through due to a dearth of underage success since 2014. Even in Brian Codys final seven years we had a few tame exits from the championship and he is the greatest manager in the history of the Gaa. It's all about young talent coming in to refresh and strengthen what's already there. I am genuinely hopeful the 17 to 20 year group will provide us with a few really good ones,but it will take time. The loss of Hugh Lawlor is a frightening prospect and leaves the '26 management team in an unenviable position. Whoever has the job doesn't need to act the ape on the sideline to impress me and that is not a dig at Liam Cahill who has been through the ringer the past few years and deserves the success he has had for surviving the crap that was thrown at him primarily by his own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭jimmythesulk


    We weren't denied a final place primarily by an error on the part of Croke Park. Talk about overstating things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    The biggest issue wasn't the scoreboard, the biggest issue is we had little impact off the bench to replace players out on there feet and we won't win an All Ireland with Paddy Deegan and Riche Reid. Same old story every year we get to the latter stages the 2 lads just not good enough at the highest level unfortunately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Town legend


    Id agree with that but Id try Deegan in the full forward line before making a final call on him.He has a bit of devilment, isn't windy and knows where the goal is.Give him the league and stick with it.

    Worth a try maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭neverbet


    You will find if you look back at the final 5 minutes we definitely were denied at least extra time ,only KK would take it lying down, should never happen.. The point about the bench is exactly ithat...a dearth of new blood of the calibre needed, but I believe that will change in the next 3 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 NJoyKkGAA


    So who do you suggest replaces them?
    I’m not sure I watched the same championship as you?
    Deegan and Reid not perfect (no player is) but did a fine job with spirit and fight throughout the competition. Think it a bit disingenuous to minimise their efforts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    We will find players to replace them, but the 2 lads are constantly caught out in the big games. We have the nuclease of an excellent team there we just need to tidy up the backs, we lack pace and a presence at 6. We also badly need new blood with 10 minutes remaining, not to replace players playing poor but for a change in tactics or replace players who are spent after 60mins, John Donnelly and Billy Ryan will be another year older in 2026 and have had a great year but after 60 minutes the 2 lads are out on their feet.

    At this time of year i would prefer to concentrate on the club tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    If we had a bit of a bench with some impact the last 2 years we would have been in the last 2 all Irelands whether we would have won the finals is another story

    We ve had a manager that has developed 2 players in 3 years it’s just not good enough unfortunately

    I was always prepared to give lyng the benefit of the doubt for the first 2 years but there’s been no tangible improvement in the squads playing style or individual players skills

    So it’s time to let someone else at it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    Players need to be given time and a run of games, even if they play poorly. Give them a few more chances. Like I can't be the only one who'd barely heard of Andrew Ormond up to 4 months ago. Got his chance, took it and is now an all Ireland winner and possible all star. Conor Leen last year with clare another example. Hard to say we don't have the players when you see the strength and competitiveness of the club championship week on week.

    Definitely like to see Ian Byrne get a run of games in the 26 league. Billy Reid another with lots of potential. I'm not from glenmore BTW.



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