Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

but migrants aren't hanging around every street corner in every town and city, bit of an exaggeration no?

lol this is just comical. "Migrants on every street corner". Do you understand how ridiculous you sound? This is the kind of thing you can't really argue with and just have to chalk up to far right rhetoric.

How do Turkish barbers get a work visa for here?

I think most are Syrians who prob got asylum status here. They pose as Turkish because they're famous for male hair grooming I guess.

Like every Japanese sushi place in Ireland is actually run by Chinese.

Addressing the grooming gangs head on would have required actual racial and religious profiling, because we all know what nationality and religion were the most of them.

Addressing the groooming gangs head on wouldn't have required racial and religious profiling at all. It would require the people with the authority to do so, to do their jobs. That is, either providing care for children in their care, or investigating and arresting those responsible for abusing children who were found to be abusing children. Their ethnicity or religion is completely irrelevant. The only use of statistics like that on the characteristics of the perpetrators is to turn the issue into yet another political football. Can do that, if you want, but the data is pretty shít, because data collection methods are pretty shít, as explained in the article below, and explained in the report which I provided earlier -

Offender characteristics

Research suggests that offenders are predominantly male, and that those offending in groups may be younger than those operating alone (Berelowitz et al., 2012; Berelowitz et al., 2013; CEOP, 2013). Some available research finds that, in line with the population of the UK, the majority of CSE offenders in certain samples are White (Berelowitz et al., 2012; Berelowitz et al., 2015; NPCC, 2015), but there is also some limited evidence of an over-representation of Asian offenders compared with their proportion of the population. However, this evidence is often based on small sample sizes not meant for generalisation to the wider population. With these small samples it therefore remains difficult to draw conclusions about the make-up of the offender population and compare this with the local demography of certain areas. Further, data on ethnicity are often poorly collected and incomplete (CEOP, 2011; Berelowitz et al., 2012; Skidmore et al., 2016).

Offending groups in the community have been seen to be commonly based on pre-existing social connections (CEOP, 2011; Cockbain et al., 2011; Cockbain, 2018; Senker et al., 2020). They can range from two offenders to groups in the tens of offenders (CEOP, 2011; CEOP, 2013). Offender motives vary, and whilst some operate for financial gain (Berelowitz et al., 2012; Gohir, 2013; Skidmore et al., 2016) some research suggests that offenders in certain samples may be motivated by misogyny and a desire for control rather than a specific sexual interest in children (CEOP, 2011; Gohir, 2013).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-characteristics-of-offending/characteristics-of-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-in-the-community-literature-review-accessible-version

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63307015.amp

But the police was very concerned about even being perceived as doing this, rather than being concerned with the fate of those girls. So yes, it may seem that they cared more about themselves, but the fear of being perceived as racist was what was driving that care.

And now same thing happens in Ireland.

No, it doesn't just seem that they cared more about themselves, they do, as evidenced by their own actions where they're more keen to point fingers and blame everyone else rather than take responsibility for their own lack of action. That's why the police point fingers at social services, and social services point fingers at police (in Ireland it's an ongoing thing between AGS and Tusla), and everyone points fingers at Government. They weren't concerned, and aren't concerned with the fate of those children (both girls and boys), because they don't have to be, because they're aware they can simply pass the buck as though their care is someone else's responsibility. The fear of being perceived as racist just doesn't come into it, as they're often quite a bit more eager to target ethnic minorities and that's why ethnic minorities show up more in the shítty data that's recorded using shítty data collection methods (not just a thing in social services and crime prevention btw), which makes for media fodder and gives politicians the opportunity to make yet another political football out of it, long as nothing is actually done about it by the people who have the authority to address the issue.

The same thing has always been happening in Ireland; you say that like it's a new thing - it's not.

i believe they can also apply for and get work permit for Ireland. if people even have problem with foreign barbers now then we are in real trouble.

Yes that's the problem, no one wants to see the picture. But everybody needs to see it, until it's too late.

simply because they're more interested in protecting themselves

Why don't you finish the sentence? They're more interested in protecting themselves from accusations of being racist. Even highest ranking politicians were and still are afraid to be accused of racism and islamophobia.

That picture and every other picture of UK grooming gangs members look like that and it's not my prejudice that's the cause, and it's no prejudice to notice that all of those pictures look the same. No amount of muddying the waters with questionable studies will change what's out there plain to see for everyone who is not refusing to see the reality.

Most of the grooming gangs in Ireland have been associated with catholic religious groups.

Well if after all that was reported even by partisan outlet like BBC you still don't believe that the UK grooming gangs are made of mostly muslim men of south east asian origin then there's nothing I can do.

And grooming gangs members are the ones who did it, not the ones who knew and did nothing about it.

Well you have to look at it through the lens of fundamentalists. Except their religion isn't Catholicism, it's secularism. The kind of mindset that wouldn't have been out of place being a daily communicant in 1950's Catholic Ireland, the kind of person who would have supported putting young women in Magdalene laundries, or whatever the modern secular example is.

People like this are often scolds towards those who can't, or don't want to be quite as "pure" as them. So of course labelling others as far right/white supremacists/nazis/whateverthephobeofthedayis is actually par for the course, so I wouldn't take it personally. It just shows the paucity of their arguments, they have nothing else. Oh, they probably also complain about "othering" without any sense of irony.