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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    if it’s getting a heavy C or D check then someone is planning on getting another few years out of the airframe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 KB77


    if that is the case, how long realistically could they get out of the frame, considering it’s coming up on 24 years old. Would that also mean they could line it up for the new livery. It does have a strong capacity at 281, so after the 300 versions it has the next highest capacity so great revenue earner once full



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    30 years not uncommon for a widebody but it all depends on cycles, what components need to be replaced & when etc. It is leased so what the lessors want for it factors in too. The lessor may originally have had an eye on converting it to a freighter around now but the A333 market has taken off and is the more desirable airframe for p2f conversion (freighters tend to max out on volume before weight nowadays due Amazon packages and the like) so maybe the lessor offered a good rate and just want to lease it in pax configuration for as long as possible until scrappage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,428 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    EI-GEY is an odd ball aircraft as its a -200 but is not configured for West coast ops. The economics prefer the A330-300 as its pretty much the same operating cost but more seats, more freight.

    GE powered A330's are tricky to come by



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Shamrockj


    -GEY is indeed a unique aircraft in the fleet. It’s the only -200 that can’t operate the west coast and has a denser configuration. It used to stick to certain routes. At the start it did Washington mostly and then Toronto mostly. Now it’s on a power by hour contract so they just use it as a spare when needed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Banzai600


    can someone tell me…genuinely.

    why are aer lingus so vested in US routes other than europe Or does it just appear that way?

    There are airports ryana1r fly into but aer lingus dont, and busy routes at that. Aer Lingus fly to Marrakesh but not to Agadir for example, and ppl reckon Agadir is more popular / better spot to go ? we were looking to fly to agadir, but not doing a 3hr transfer from Marrakesh, trying to avoid giving ryana1r money, so wont be going there at the moment.

    and aer lingus fly to two islands in greece, but omit going to Cyprus for example and just doing one main greek island ? And Cyprus wouldnt be that much further ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Ryanair can make routes work that Aer Lingus can't due to their industry leading low cost base, huge fleet and multiple base network spread all over Europe.

    Aer Lingus served Agadir for a number of years, it was dropped a while back and now Ryanair do it, they actually have a base there. The thinking, I believe, was that many of those longer sun routes were quite expensive to operate and with a small-ish fleet it made more sense to pour capacity into the ever popular Spain and Portugal markets while getting more from the aircraft in terms of utilisation.

    Some longer European sun routes persist like Athens and Izmir, others more recent additions like Dalaman, Heraklion, Corfu and Santorini, all low frequency and can hopefully achieve the deserved yields for the longer sectors. The Canaries always a winner. I'm not sure what the thinking was behind Marakesh, going up against Ryanair there Iinstead of the seemingly more popular Agadir but it was a welcome shift in focus at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭pilatus


    Once the war in Ukraine ends would it be profitable to start flights to the country for Aer Lingus? There will be a number of Ukrainians who live permanently in Ireland but still want to visit family again, along with those looking to move home.

    Michael O'Leary said he envisions opening two hubs in Kyiv and Lviv with aspirations to fill up to 5 million seats. Would there be enough to go around for both Ryanair and Aer Lingus?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ciandonn


    Considering Aer Lingus have no flights to Poland (bar the flight to Warsaw in December) even though the Polish are the largest diaspora in Ireland, I would highly doubt it. The market will be extremely price sensitive so I can’t see them launching a route there in the near or distant future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Shamrockj


    Marrakesh is a bigger place and more demand , it seems to be doing very well!


    They serve 4 places in Greece Athens, Corfu, Santorini and Heraklion also Kos and Rhodes were served before. Aer Lingus will go where they can make money the same as every company will make decisions based on !



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭pilatus


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    https://x.com/Tobias_Gudat/status/1953119104493126116?t=ecPld6gs87Y4Hzkbk_pKRA&s=19

    EI-XLU via Tobias Gudat/X



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 jreams08


    would EI consider connecting Ireland to Georgia (Tbilisi) - we have no direct route to that region of Europe, its supposed to be a really nice holiday destination great mountains, wine, food etc. They did chartered flights for Irish rugby team earlier last month. There is also a growing Georgian diaspora in Ireland and FR is not interested at the moment in that region.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    If there was a very strong market for connections to the US/canada, then they would probably consider it strongly but really a route needs strong demand for connections and also point to point traffic to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    We risk moving back into "fantasy airline CEO" territory here.

    From a quick look at FR24 for tomorrow, as far as European operators go, Tbilisi is served by Lufthansa, LOT, Austrian, BA and Aegean; also, Air France have two flights a week, as have Transavia from AMS. Many of the flights are from Russia, Turkey and the Middle East, as you would expect, given its geographical location. It's 2,200nm from Dublin or about a five-hour flight each way, so it would occupy one aircraft for the day, in practical terms. If it is on any Aer Lingus potential routes list, it must be quite far down. 😆

    Post edited by EchoIndia on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    As for beautiful country, perhaps it is but Georgia only has a population of just over 3.5 million - & I quite simply there just isn’t demand there .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Banzai600


    thanks @kevinandrew @Shamrockj

    i really think aer lingus could make a few routes work with europe if they looked into it. granted they dont have the fleet of ryana1r but i think it could work. here is hoping.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Your last line sums it up. FR have the cpacity to try new routes and pull out/or absorb losses for 6-12 months.

    Aer Lingus have a smaller fleet and cannot afford the same risks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    A lot of this thread is “I would like to visit this place once. Why can’t airlines cater specifically to my wishes?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Exactly, areas of Morocco, Georgia, Jordan, Cape Verde ( to name but a few ), where will be next? Tehran perhaps.
    Moaners about the runway on another thread belittling a very informative thread, now the same happening here on this thread. Can we please leave the speculation to the people in the know in the airlines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 StakeholderValue


    The key with short haul growth is overnighting aircraft in major European cities and getting more feed onto the first morning wave of TA’s. EI’s historical risk aversion pretty much stops them doing this bar FCO recently. Hopefully the success of FCO embolden them to expand into obvious markets.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Banzai600


    @Dodge @WishUWereHere helpful posts, fair play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭BestWestern


    Amman brings oneworld connections if they ever get their act together and join. It will also provide much needed feed for YYZ too.

    There's historic links between Beirut and Dublin. The Daa funded the airport terminal there for rights to the duty free contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    But that’s the problem. People came on here speculating many places ( yes Beirut was one of those places ), but without thought going into the feasibility of such connections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 DubToDeise


    Not to rattle any cages but I know a travel agent expecting a junket to Sal in Cape Verde to prep for selling for Winter Sun 26/27. TUI package holidays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭Touristx73


    Would be a nice addition if they go through with it. Have a friend who went recently on TAP. They said it was beautiful and quite warm for January. It does well from the UK so I wonder how the Irish market would embrace it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    I do wonder would people think it would be too far, it would a good 5 and half / 6 hours each way on a narrow body with no IFE. Could turn people off it.

    Don’t get me wrong it would be a great destination to have as they are beautiful looking islands!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭Touristx73


    It could definitely be an issue for some, but it’s not that much longer than SSH or LCA, which TUI have done on the B737 in the past, or even PFO which does well for Ryanair currently. Demand is another thing, not sure it’s there but if its a partnership with TUI it’s obviously much lower risk than a standalone route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ciandonn


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    This could have been there for months for all I know but I was scrolling through the Aer Lingus website and found Montreal listed as one of their “Top-pick destinations”, was this always there seen as they don’t currently fly direct there?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Possible but as YUL was previously on sale it might be related to this.



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