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Sleep Apnoea and CPAP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭LiamaDelta


    Thanks, how long ago was that roughly? Given that consultants fees are usually around €200 for the first visit, I was expecting the whole thing to be around €1000, including a follow up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭LiamaDelta


    best of luck and let us know how you get/got on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    Can anybody confirm if I bought one of those myself can the results be used to treat sleep apnea ? I don’t understand why they are for sale when I believe people need a consultation to also interpret the data?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    That's what it cost me about 5 years ago, I have done a bit of hunting around and I think you could well be right for a hospital test it could cost considerably more now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭LiamaDelta


    No problem, thanks for letting me know. I would have thought that was cheap even 5 years ago. Usually any sort of an overnight is mad money. though I guess it can be nurse-led



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭waxmelts2000


    I did my sleep apnea test through Irish life and care connect , the results were then sent to a sleep consultant in st Vincent’s where he read the results and sent out a detailed report . It was free under my policy , I had a sleep apnea result of 72 per hour ! I’m still struggling with the machine at night but I will persevere, I got my machine through resmed €96 rental per month , I may buy my own machine but starting out I felt it was best to rent it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    drugs payment scheme can be used to offset if you or family have other perscriptions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    if these are the results it gives out then its not too bad deciphering yourself I should imagine:

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    Pretty self explanitory it looks for easy to understand. Gives you an indication of how may times stopped breathing , the body position where you snore the most - spo2 and bpm pulse rate , and times woken up.
    so not much to interpret the data if the data is laid out like this .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    I have watched a few video's on CPAP machines on youtube but this one last night stood out as being very informative. sorry if its been shared before on here .

    https://youtu.be/7DDgIuEtew8?si=iOBicnbY5Mn4x0bb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Well that was interesting! In the recent 6 years or the 2 or 3 years some time ago - failed attempt - I have seen at least six 'specialists' and had two sleep tests which established I had moderate then severe sleep apnoea. None of these have ever examined my nose and throat. I am pretty sure I have a deviated septum, I know I have a significant overbite. All any of them have done is fiddle with the settings on the cpap machine, and the free clinic with Resmed are way better at doing that than the consultants.

    What is the solution here. I have run out of consultants - my latest one didn't call me back for a checkup this spring and I have not bothered to remind him because he doesn't seem to do or say anything useful. I have pretty much run out of options - I have increasingly been getting disapproval because I keep changing, but none of them seem to know anything. I have been puzzled why I am slowly but definitely putting on weight. I know I do not overeat, I never eat chocolate or sweets, almost no cake and biscuits. I eat healthy foods, very little processed or fast food. I drink very little alcohol and have to eat small meals for other reasons. Now it seems SA can cause weight gain. It is very frustrating.

    Has anyone attended a Consultant who has done the basic nose and throat checks? Or who seems to know what they are doing, I would appreciate a pm with names.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    it was an interesting video for sure . i was going to say who would have thought that sleep apnoea could cause increase in weight but getting a good nights un-interrupted sleep is fantastic for the human body, it repairs and recovers for a start whilst you are asleep. - it made a lot of sense when he said once the pump hits resistance the pressure starts to adjust stringer to compensate and then you get the nose blocking up even more then and then you end up in a cycle .
    i guess it is so important to have a clear airway so the cpap can deliver air to your lungs so yes thats the very least they should be doing is looking thoroughly up your nose and down your throat for possible obstructions, otherwise what is the point of having a CPAP if its not going to work properly due to them type of obstructions. I should imagine that the way CPAP machines work (I dont know I have never used one … yet) that if they are increasing the pressure they become more noisier at night - yet another thing why some people cannot get on with them maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 raymondblack391


    Thanks a lot. The initial study result was mild and thus I went to see how I fared with the basics...so time for me to revisit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Have you thought about a sleep dentist seen as you mentioned an overbite. I’m currently going down the dental route, I slept for nearly 8ths last night, loads of rem and deep, it’s not perfect but it sure beats the leaf blower, I’ve still a few adjustments left on the device, think they’re giving me another sleep test shortly, my watch is telling me my sleep is excellent, getting plenty of rem and deep sleep, oxygen still dipping but the dr thinks that might be the watch, sleep test should tell a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I’ve ordered the pillow, when he mentioned the shoulder, arm and hip pain a lightbulb went on, if it helps with the apnea that’s a bonus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    No, but its a thought, I am sorting something else at the moment but I will look at giving it a go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Care to let us in on what you’re trying? From watching that Dr Vick a drug induced sleep test seems to be the one to get, not sure anyone does them here though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    looks like a bronchoscopy is what is needed, a ENT specialist/surgeon should be able to perform an examination I had an endoscopy years ago for a stomach issue and I had the spray at the back of the throat and put out by the anaesthetist for it so they could maybe do the same for a bronchoscopy? am sure an ENT specialist would know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Dr Vik knocks you out so can see exactly what’s happening when you’re sleeping, he explains it a bit in the pillow videos. That’s where he got the idea from.
    I went to an ENT, said it all was fine, nose, throat etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Its something unrelated to SA. Though I have just had two nights good sleep in succession and I feel so much better, its as though one good night doesn't make a difference, but two or more are much better. I have been using the fit mask option which is a bit hit and miss, not enough evidence to know does it make a difference yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I don’t believe everyone had great sleep always, 2 in a row is a result, we’re probably aiming too high here…3 in a row, you might be onto something.

    It’s complicated, if I had listened to optician I’d be wearing glasses. Weight loss is a problem though, stuck in neutral even after busting a gut for the last 2 weeks and eating super healthy.

    Threw my hat at it today, feck it creamy pints.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    how do people get on with CPAP when they have to get up in the night for a pee? - I have to at least get up 1 or 2 times most nights nowdays (its my age lol) - do you have to disconnect everything when you have to get up and then put it all back on again when you go back to bed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    You can generally disconnect the hose from the mask and leave the mask on so you wander round the house hoping you don't meet anyone. Once you are really used to it you can just take off the whole lot and put it back again without too much trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    thanks for that - I was wondering how people got on if they have to get up in the night when nature calls.
    The only other conflicting is that there is nothing more important than good nights sleep, this is why people with sleep apnoea should address that problem but if you have to get up in the night for the loo then you are still getting broken sleep in the night and not a full continuous nights sleep.
    someone should invent a tablet you take before you go to bed that works for 8hrs and switches off your bladder (if they havent already)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    They have… well, its a 24 hour thing but still.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    You might notice your not getting up for one when you’ve things under control, I used to think it was age, it’s not, I’d say a lot of us were waking around 2 or 3…seems to be one of the symptoms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I suspect what happens is that when you go into rem sleep the pressure kicks in and disturbs you either by leakage or response to the apnoea or some other reason. I have noticed if I wake during the night my apnoea count can read in the 30s but when I wake in the morning its maybe 10 because it is averaged out. I think this is a problem but consultants etc seem to take it as ok 'that's the way it is done', maybe so, but is it the best way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    It makes the res med machine and app look good, the app syncs with my smart watch but it doesn’t give you the blood oxygen the watch is recording which I think is a glaring admission, it also doesn’t allow the rem, deep and light sleep to be recorded in the res med app. Consultant’s are dismissive of the data and I assume res med either don’t want you to see the full picture or they also don’t trust the technology. I find it kinda puzzling as it’s FDA approved.
    To answer your question, no I don’t think it’s the best way. Sleep medicine is evolving rapidly, not sure how long the gold standard will hold up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Just completed a 2 night at home sleep test with the MAD splint from the sleep dentist, results were great (their words not mine).
    Recommendations to lose weight and sleep on my side, feeling good though and no daytime tiredness…took a few months of adjusting the device with the dentist. Looks like I’m cpap free though. Very happy with the results.
    It was expensive but there’s no ongoing cost, just pop it in before I nod off and that’s it. All the visits for adjusting were covered under the initial outlay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭good vibes


    Howareya..

    Unless you want to get surgery that costs thousands..thres isn't a long-term alternative to use safely.. mouth guards might be okay for one night... There's all kinds of on approved gadgets but the best treatment is CPAP.

    When you're giving a prescription you need to use it... I was the same...it was a nitemare but you have to persevere..and try all the masks.. I tape my eyes down and wear a chin strap ..

    the key is to perseverance and to accepted to it.. if the mask falls off put it back on keep at it every night.. you will get there...

    in time you will become used to it.. I don't give it a seconds thought now.. but at the beginning it was very very difficult…try all the masks...I use a nasal mask..I'm a nose breather I wouldn't use a dreamstation.. I use the resmed air sense 10 with the nasal mask ..really small thin mask..one light strap..it's fine... It controls my sleep apnea perfectly...all my numbers are good... with no air leaks..it's easier with rasmed air sense 10

    You will get the results you need... If you stick with it... best of luck.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I'd disagree surgery is not the only option, i'm sleeeping all night, feeling good, referring to the mad device as a mouth guard is trivialising it somewhat, i'm asleep in 5 minutes, passed 2 sleep tests with it. I'd definately recommend talking to beacon sleep dental for someone struggling or has given up on CPAP. You send them your sleep test, they'll have a good chat with you on the phone and see if it's something worth pursuing.



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