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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Not sure how I feel about this one.

    A military tribunal in Lebanon has found guilty and sentenced to death a Hezbollah member, for the murder of Pvt Seán Rooney in 2022.

    It appears that other men were convicted for lesser roles in the same criminal act, though not sentenced to death, however their precise sentences haven't been detailed.

    What I'm feeling a bit put off about, is Major General Harris coming out and expressing disappointment, and saying he shares this disappointment with the family, in essence, the others were NOT sentenced to death.

    Its a peculiar stance for him to take from both a political and a diplomatic point of view, as a country that has voted to move away from capital punishment and to get into the rights and wrongs of the judicial machinations of another country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,289 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    It appears that the Pak AF claims of 3 Rafale, 1 Su30 & 1 MiG29 shot down in the opening exchanges of Operation Sindoor were indeed accurate. An Indian MP has confirmed the losses.

    I would reiterate my own thinking on this, that the losses are as much a failure of Indian planning as they are a success for Pakistan rearmament and training.

    A week before Op Sindoor kicked off I posted on the CA Pak/India thread that.

    The new aircraft and A2A missiles, in particular the J10 & the J17 block 3 operate Chinese supplied PL15 missiles. There are 2 versions of that missile, the export PL15E (145km range) which is what Pakistan was initially supplied and the domestic Chinese version (300km range).

    There are reports from the past week that China has armed Pakistan with the 300km version directly from PLAAF stocks. Aswell as that, there are also reports that Turkey has made very recent arms deliveries too. Both versions of the missile outrange the Indian R77s and Astra's, and the Chinese domestic version outranges the Rafale's Meteor A2A meaning Indian strike package would be outranged and at risk from Pak air defence.

    The Indian Air Force is, and has been in crisis for the past 20yrs. It is vastly understrength, currently fielding 31 fighter squadrons, which will drop to 29 with retirement of final 2 MiG21 squadron's in October. It's authorised fighter strength is 41 squadrons. Yet it is facing Pakistan & China as strategic threat in the NE & NW. Pakistan fielding 25 fighter squadrons, and China with 66 fighter squadrons although fielding approx 25 within range of India.

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    China are also now fielding 5th Gen fighters en masse & Pakistan will also soon start inducting J35.

    Whereas India's 5th Gen is expected to enter service in 2035... And given Indian equipment induction timelines, it will be late.

    There are now demands within India to seek immediate purchase of a 5th gen fighter to counter the Sino/Pak 5th gen threat. Their only options are US F35s, or Russian Su57s.

    My thinking is that given the Indians already build the Su30 and AL31 engine. That they will seek a manufacturing license for the Sukhoi and upgrade their domestic manufacturing line to be able to build the Felon.

    I don't think it's the right plane for them, but necessity means they are running out of options.

    I'd also expect the Indians to try and get on board with either FCAS or GCAP as a means of getting a more capable airframe than their laggard AMCA. I'd expect the French to seek Indian partnership on FCAS, esp if the Dassault/Airbus partnership falls apart. The Japanese would likely be the Indian path into GCAP if the UK & Italy agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    In somewhat related news, Trump has slapped a 25% tariff on Indian imports, plus "a penalty" (unspecified) for India importing Russian energy and armaments throughout the sanctions.

    I don't often agree with the orange balloon, but this is a long overdue punishment of India for its disingenuous conduct concerning Russia and partnership with western democracies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The pre-legislative scrutiny of the Defence Bill has ended. No agreement on a recommendation on the Triple Lock between government and opposition member on the Committee on Defence and National Security, as expected, but they have asked to have a role in scrutiny and renewal of overseas deployment mandates when/if the TL goes.

    Personally, I don't have a big issue with that. I mean the Committee majority will be in line with the government of the day anyway, so if they want to ask questions of the minister and the brass, in closed session if necessary, it does contribute to the primacy of the Oireachtas in such matters if the UNSC element is removed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Harris has committed to bringing forward the legislation in the Autumn session, I guess we will have to wait and see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yes. Doesn't sound like he is minded to give any such concession. And thats fine too, they have a solid majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Sure making a meal out of this issue 🙄 😒. 12 men is a ridiculously low number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It is, but it was naively self-imposed by the government of the day.

    And the bigger issue by far is the UN mandate change, not the threshold of small deployments being 12, or 50, or 100 or whatever it ends up being.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Another one bites the dust.

    Have we found the next NH-90?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Dont tell anyone but the defence forces might be importing Ammo via New Ross. Remember its Top Secret info.

    https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/new-ross-news/irish-defence-forces-applies-to-import-ammunition-through-the-port-of-new-ross/a702361661.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Ex sf councillor questions why the need to import ammunition shocker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The Nitrofert company already has a large facility at the river port in Ross. If that doesn't already have an ordinance for explosive materials handling, then it would strike me that the port has been operating dangerously and illegally for a long time.

    Which I doubt.

    But it is an odd one all the same. New Ross is a tiny facility with poor infrastructure. When it comes to setting up security and marshaling armaments convoys I would have thought Belview remained ideal for the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭thomil


    This might be yet another one of my stupid questions, but how would ammunition imports have been handled previously? I’m not aware of Ireland having any production facilities for ammunition, so the vast majority of the Defence Forces supply would have had to be imported anyway? Or am I missing something?

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, you're correct. The story is that New Ross would be a new port of disembarkation for ammunition, and the licencing and safety measures that would required for that.

    It would have been landed previously at Cork, Waterford-Belview and Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭thomil


    Gotcha, thanks. Could it be that they simply want a more quiet port facility, one where they can control ship movements more easily? From what I've read, ship traffic at Cork, Belview and Dublin seems to be going only one way, and that's up. Speaking for Cork, Ringaskiddy seems to be permanently busy, Tivoli still sees regular traffic and the IFI pier at Marino Point seems to have become the permanent berth for the Matthew, that bulk freighter turned drug boat. That leaves the city docks, and those look like an absolute nightmare from a security point of view.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Those ports are certainly busy, by all accounts, but for the infrequency of shipments I can't imagine their schedules would make much of a difference to the DF.

    I can only guess that some provider tendered an all-in price, with the proviso that they would be able to use a lower cost berth like Ross, if the DF could assist with any new licensing etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    It's got the advantage of being inland and easy to move gear to DF locations without going through heavily populated areas…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭vswr


    precisely

    nice handy route up the M9 to the Glen.

    Max population areas its anywhere near is New Ross and Baltinglass



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    The RTÉ article omits the recommendation that any deployments be subject to approval by "an independent body" after they legally review it.

    Bad enough that we are already the only country on earth to delegate the authority to deploy our own armed forces to another organisation, but they want our Parliament to delegate final say over the deployment our armed forces to an unelected body.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Think it was the Irish Times who were discussing this point and their take was that someone versed in international law would be asked to confirm if any proposed missions or interventions were legal.

    So independent of government but appointed by the government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm always curious as to why Irish people are so happy to see the business of government delegated to multitudinous quangos, agencies, commissions and authorities.

    Not to mention senior counsels, retired judges, retired secretaries general etc, whenever something needs a report or a review to satisfy a media driven clamour.

    Nonetheless there are many people whose statutory roles are appointed by the government, but very much independent of it. And the Oireachtas polices that independence. Judges, the DPP, Garda Commissioner, Fiscal Advisory Council, Ombudsman, An Coimisiún Pleanála etc, there are literally hundreds of examples.

    However, when it comes to advice to the government as to whether something is legal or not, thats very specifically the job of the Attorney General. And the AG's office will have many lawyers versed in international law, who will be more than happy to write up sound advice.

    There is simply no need for a 3rd party situation in defence deployments, and absolutely no need to replace the UNSC with some expensive academic pain in the hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, its more important than that. Its illustrative of an ongoing crisis that people less consumed with defence matters need reminding of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    i see on Twitter via a FOI request it was the DOD that pulled the Air Corps trip to the UK and nothing to do with ATC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭sparky42


    From the IT article on it, I thought it was they pulled it over the ATC issues?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I got the sense it was partly that, but more that there was no spare capacity if the aircraft types were need for unforeseen duty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Perhaps someone in the Department might be a little bit concerned after the struggles to get the helicopter for the Mathew operation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Precisely.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    If properly packaged, I can’t see why ammunition can’t be handled by any port with a crane big enough to handle the load. I’m assuming it would not be stored onsite for long. There is plenty of precedent for such over the last century. (And I get ammo delivered via FedEx, though granted not missiles).



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