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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭reaction238


    What was the purpose of announcing that focus is on autonomous if nothing is going to change with regards to the private EV market? If the plan is business as usual then we could expect a refresh model for the M3 and MY. It's the fact he bothered to announce a shift from EV to autonomous that would suggest less on EV innovation, unless it is something specific to autonomy or a design feature that benefits a taxi fleet.

    But it's all good for me for now with my face lift MYj and I welcome whatever autopilot improvements come from it. But I'm slightly concerned the company is spread too thin and the car design will stagnate. I'd hate this to be my first and last Tesla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭wassie


    Yep. When I got my M3 at the end of 2020 kids were still fascinated by seeing a Tesla. Two years later they were 'meh'.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It’s to be expected.
    They can’t maintain No. 1 for eternity, no brand can.
    The 9/10 WV buyers choosing another brand could be said about every other brand too so that sounds a bit of a leaning statement.

    9/10 EV buyers are also choosing other brands over BMW, VW etc too

    Lots of choices now adays which will help.

    The GTX is a great product in fairness. And dare I say it, it may be better spec than the Model 3 but obviously a little bit more expensive. VW Group has that going for it too, with the amount of people caught in PCP loops etc, it’s hard to break free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭sk8board


    I only use the 9/10 analogy because Apple have a far more dominant position in the EU, NA and Chinese markets, but new android smartphones are never referred to as an iPhone killer, and haven’t been for many years. Markets simply settle down, and yes indeed no one brand could maintain such a dominant share



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭sk8board


    It might yet turn out that the one truthful thing Musk has said all year is that Trump is in the Epstein files 😬😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Tempting at just over $300



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭sk8board


    178x earnings.
    How long can bagholders realistically have so much hope in the future.

    Low volumes traded today (considering a 9% fall) says it’s mostly retail sellers. Institutions expected everything in the financials, and they also learned nothing from musk to steer things up or down.

    Id say it won’t drop much further on yesterdays results, there’s no momentum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭JOL1


    I believe volumes traded were actually high (150+m shares which compares with 85m daily average for previous 10 day average, 101m for previous 30 day average) , well above daily averages suggesting that Institutions were active in expressing their negative sentiment to the Investor call/Tesla financials



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    pretty decent. I actually planned to sell my few shares on Monday, expecting a dip this week and buy back today, but completely forgot.ah well....

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Not today or tomorrow but a heat pump is probably the way forward in the future once the oil boiler goes. Need to work out the logistics and the insulation requirements, have good insulation but might need more



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You needn't worry too much about retrofitting insulation if your insulation is already reasonable with all the cheaper things done like attic insulation, etc. I've known people who got their windows replaced with triple glazed ones in their 20 year old home with double glazing, because they think they need it for a heat pump to work. It cost them €15k. It will give slightly lower bills, but the pay back is never never.

    A heatpump will work fine in even an uninsulated house, but the SCOP will simply be lower

    At the moment retrofitting heatpumps in Ireland (except when you DIY) makes little sense as gas / oil are far too cheap, they need to be heavily loaded with excise duty. With typical gas at 8c / kWh and typical electricity at 25c / kWh, even with a SCOP of 3 there is zero saving. And for people on the cheap night rates like myself, it makes even less sense. I can buy electricty at 5c and use it for heating. But I could instead sell it to the grid for 25c and use 8c gas for heating. The government rewards us for heating with fossil fuels, which is insane given climate change and even if you don't believe in any of that, just given the huge emissions fines Ireland is about to pay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I got the walls pumped and the attic was done before we moved in, we have a flat roof I'll probably tackle next

    I probably wouldn't have the knowledge or expertise to retrofit it myself but yeah agreed that for the moment keeping the oil going makes much more financial sense. How likely is that to change in the coming years though? Carbon taxes are only going one way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,321 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Same here. We have the walls pumped and I'd love to go to a heat pump (and honestly I'd love to replace my existing setup with a few powerwalls but that's another story) but it just doesn't make sense. I've promised myself that if/when our 12-15y/o oil boiler gives up the ghost I'm not paying for another new oil or fossil fuel boiler.

    But there's no real reason currently - financially - to switch from oil to a heat pump. Especially if you need to do insulation. We have 2 'sides' of the house, the main house and a 2 bed+kitchen+bath office addendum. The main house is well insulated but the office side needs new windows (wooden old double glazed) so I'd likely do that too. After spending 20k+ on solar, storage and some other related improvements when we moved in in '22 I can't really justify another significant spend yet (at least, without it being a necessity as in if the existing system gives up).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Looking at the second EV in the car, a 2018 Nissan Leaf 40, the mileage on that is getting high so maybe in a few years that could serve as another battery pack, certified installation for them seems to run to about €3k so that's just another option being explored and which will be explored for some time to come



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,321 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    This is what people don't get, heat pumps don't 'not work' in non-insulated houses, they just won't be as efficient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,321 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    An interesting option that I'm sure we'll see more and more of. My 2011 leaf at 69% remaining battery health still holds around 14kwh when full. Not a lot of driving range from 14kwh (and even less when I only charge it to 80% anyway) but still plenty of domestic storage, that 14kwh would cover most houses for at least one day's usage. You can pick up non running leafs for 1-2k or less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Don't even think about using an old degraded Leaf battery for home storage. Even if you can't DIY at all (as in you are incapable of assembling an Ikea flat pack), you can buy a complete 15kWh battery brand new on adverts for €2000. DIY as low as €900



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I used to think that myself. Simply because I was ignorant of how they work. Like most other people. It's just a matter of sizing the system right and accepting that there is not a one size suits all SCOP coming out of it. In a brand new near passiv haus standard, you will easily get 5 with underfloor heating. In an uninsulated Victorian home, maybe 2. That's with air to water systems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,321 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I'm more thinking of - after what happened to me in my Tesla - imagine your old EV was written off and you got a few k from the insurance, you'd have a free storage battery!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Oh I totally get that. Just I want to maximise efficiency in almost everything I do regarding the house. More insulation also equals more comfort which is priceless in todays world

    I'm assuming that 3k being the current install price will be dropping as time goes on making it a much more viable option. Even if the capacity drops to 50% that's still 20kWh.

    I'm fully capable of an ilea flat pack assembly, not sure exactly what that has to do with wiring a battery to the house though I'd like to see these battery kits for €2k, do you have an adverts link?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,321 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It is the message that is delivered, presumably because installers want to make more on the top selling insulation etc.

    If each kWh of energy spent to deliver heat was priced the same, heat pumps would be no brainers even at 2COP!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    We would really need to wait for electricity prices go up and oil/gas prices come down. At the moment we have a climate emergency and the exact opposite is happening. But I do think that time will come eventually



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    There's many of them, this guy sells a lot of them and seems well regarded

    https://www.adverts.ie/other-electronics/seplos-16kwh-solar-battery-new/36746644

    I could do it a bit cheaper for any regular in here. I would build a better system, using a superior JK BMS. But it would be a personal favour. I do them privately, mainly for myself and friends, it is not a business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,187 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    to actually have a functioning storage system from a standing start what do you need? a battery is one thing but what else an invertor? an electrician to get it all wired up? what could you get 25kwh installed and working for do you reckon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That would not be a free storage battery. A better approach would be to sell the Tesla with that battery and then buy or make a brand new LiFePO4 battery for home storage

    It really isn't that simple to use a high voltage car battery as home storage, nor safe in many cases. And the installers in Ireland that do these installs, ask for a lot of money to do so. Where a ready made battery is safe, lasts a lot longer and is simple plug and play (once a standard hybrid inverter is installed)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's an interesting concept, not sure why I couldn't find them, my search terms must be too specific or not specific enough. One of the reasons I love this website to be fair!

    Are you a registered electrician then? Or do you even need to be for something like this? Thinking of how it might affect the insurance and even the legalities etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    No, and only an electrician is allowed to enter a consumer unit to install a group needed for an inverter. That's why I said "once a hybrid inverter is installed". I do not do any of that. But I do build batteries, but just for myself and friends. Basically the same as that guy does, but he does it for profit / commercially. Even if you pay what he charges, you basically get a 15kWh battery of better quality than the 5kWh off the shelf packs that official SEAI installers install, for similar money

    5kWh is nowhere near enough to be able to use the 3-4 hour supercheap night rates. As most people with fresh PV / battery installs very soon after install find out 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The answer depends a bit. If you already have a PV system of similar power and an NC6 cert, then anyone can just change the inverter for a hybrid inverter. It is like changing an appliance. Then the battery can just be plugged into the inverter.

    If you don't, it's more complicated and you need a certified electrician to install the hybrid inverter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So because you don't go near the consumer unit, only the pre-installed inverter, you are within the law… Makes sense. I assume these are more than just plug and play units and requires an amount of disassembling/reassembling etc must have a look for installation videos over the weekend because that does sound interesting

    Yeah definitely the 3-4hr window is nowhere near enough for me or my ilk, I have been saying exactly that to be fair!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You'd be surprised. With a large battery, no heat pump and not doing more than about 50k km per year between your EVs, the 3h slot is adequate for most people. The savings of course from buying pretty much all your electricity for just 5-6c is huge obviously.



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