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Tesla Model Y

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I mean, there's no source of info to show how often the non-LFP battery was charged to 100% vs 80% realistically? Owner might say they only ever charged to 80% but can you confirm it?

    With the LFP (rwd) battery you have the comfort of knowing it doesn't matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭reaction238


    100% when needed and stop fretting about it. Otherwise what is the point in having a long range battery?

    The reality is you won't get a good resale value no matter what you do. Obviously, do not banjax the battery otherwise nobody will buy it. But other than that, stick to the Tesla guidelines and only go above 80% when needed.

    If you regularly need more than 80% then I would give serious consideration as to whether an EV is the right match.

    The question is how regular it needs to be to cause degradation? That is not clear. I think most people would only need to break 20/80% for occassional long road trips, this is within normal operation. But of you need it for a long work commute or as a travelling sales person, I'd seriously reconsider whether an EV is the right fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Unfortunately, there is documented evidence/advice from the manufacturer suggesting not to repeatedly charge the older battery chemistry units to 100% - it's one of the reasons the AWD model makes less/little sense in Ireland except for performance reasons.

    Ultimately the point being that few buyers of the AWD in 2022 had any concept of this and ploughed on charging their AWD Model Ys to 100% regularly and leaving them sit on the drive, until this info became more widely known.

    A 3 year old AWD Model Y could be a riskier buy than an equivalent RWD Model Y of the same vintage - hence the question to the poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭reaction238


    There is no need for guess work or assumptions on whether the battery was taken care of. The NMC battery is perfectly fine if used as recommended.

    Insist on a recent battery test report. Anyone selling an EV should be providing it. Walk away if they refuse. There is no shortage of Teslas for sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    My take:

    I tested the RWD and AWD. I had no need for the extra range outside the base spec RWD, with a round commute of 70km and nearly every single journey I do is comfortably within the 2022 RWD M3 range which was around 450ish??? In fact, I initially ordered the RWD base spec MY. Then I test drove the AWD again and the RWD. The RWD didn't feel as stable on the turns/bends (not that it was rolling, or slipping out…it just felt less centred).

    The AWD is a better drive, hands down. The LR RWD was only €5k more and offered an extra 120km over the base RWD. The AWD was an extra €8k and only offers 86km extra range over the RWD. Yes, it's faster and has a few extra speakers and fancier trim (which I honestly don't notice), but it also drives a lot better than the RWD and I did notice that. It feels smoother and holds the road better.

    Is it worth the 8k more. For me, now…yes. In general, I would say no, just get the RWD unless you really really want the extra second faster.

    Stay Free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I think Unkel and myself would disagree with any statement that suggested any AWD Tesla would be a nicer drive than any RWD Tesla in general 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The beauty is we can all hold our own opinions as equally valid. Depends on the driving experience and function you're looking for.

    Stay Free



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I think you are mistaking.
    Unkel won’t pay for the AWD over an RWD IIRC, but he would take an AWD over a RWD all things been equal.

    I’ll edit if he contradicts that statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭reaction238


    Lets just all agree the LR RWD is the sweet spot. Perfect for daily usage, has extra range available when required (especially important for those of us outside the pale), charges faster and performs better in the cold. 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭User1998


    I’l never understand why people only charge to 80% when they know they’ll be handing the car back in 3 years time anyway. Its like changing your oil every 5,000km so the car is more reliable for the next owner



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    For all-weather performance, acceleration, regen, traction, sound system, warranty, range, AWD LR is the sweet spot for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    isnt it the case that tesla AWD are RWD 80 - 90% of the time? i read an article once where someone had studied it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    agreed, its really the person 8-10 years down the line that may have an issue, i think tesla owners tend to be a more neurotic bunch but there isnt anything different from the tesla LR batteries and any other manufacturer. Most of them suggest 80% and 100% as needed but the general consensus is 100% is fine if you are going to be driving the next day.

    I wouldnt worry about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    It's not something I have heard, nor have I looked into the inner workings of the motor setup. It wouldn't make any sense to me to have 2 motors available and to utilise only 1 of them most of the time. While less energy efficient, using both motors makes the most sense for overall longevity and reduced wear and tear.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭User1998


    And if your really worried you can just lower the charge rate so it only reaches 100% the next morning instead of sitting at 100% all night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭reaction238


    This is it exactly. I kept my previous car absolutely immaculate. Never missed a service, never missed an oil change, detailed it myself and had the body work like new 6 years later.

    I got the same resale value as if it had been treated like a dog.

    I've a long range so I can do long ranges. I'll chsrge it 100% whenever I need to and I'm not going to worry about whst the person buying it from me in 4 years time may or may not think of my actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭User1998


    And in 4 years time it will still be worth the exact same weather it has 85% battery health or 95% battery health.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭reaction238


    Exactly. But here's the thing, its so easy to take care of. 20/80 for daily use, break that for long journeys. I'm not even worried there will be a problem in 4 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Interesting video here, dont get me wrong id have bought the AWD if i could have the spec i have on my LR without it going over the SEAI grant threshold but this video chimes with what i had read elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Interesting. Thanks for sharing. So my observation there is that the front motor primary function is stability on turns ands sharp bends. Secondary use would be stability on slippery surfaces, including snow. Finally and arguably the most important reason….is when you put the boot to the floor, it makes you grin from ear to ear.

    Stay Free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭reaction238


    "Wowwww shiiit" were my exact words when I drove a performance M3 AWD.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I’ve had 3 Performance Teslas. Miss them sometimes. The AWD LR has 90% of the useable performance but it is noticeable, the difference, IMO.

    I’ve also had a LR AWD for comparison. And a GTX ID4 that bears no resemblance to the GTX name it’s trying to achieve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,329 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I was always a 80% kinda guy. Made very easy by working from home and doing little mileage.

    I've passed my MG onto the wife who does a 110km 40% round trip every day. So it's really one missed charge away from nervous nelly time.

    So I've just stuck it on 100% and forgot about it. It finishes charging at 5am and she's on the road by 7.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭Deadwards.com


    Hey Gumbo, given your experience I wonder if you know if the 'performance upgrade' model 3's for sale in NI are in fact performance models or how I could tel the difference? Torn between that or a model Y AWD

    https://www.usedcarsni.com/2019-TESLA-Model-3-Performance-AWD-4dr-Performance-Upgrade-Auto-381372872?search_type=1&make=807&fuel_type=0&age_from=0&price_from=0&user_type=0&model=201212758&trans_type=0&age_to=0&price_to=0&mileage_to=0&keywords=&location%5B%5D=0&body_style=0



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Send a link. That long text you’ve posted goes nowhere for me.

    But generally the Performance is an add on so I’ve seen it in ads worded like that before.

    The only other weird one is the stealth performance which came out at the start. Performance motors but small wheels and no red Brembos. So no visual giveaway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭User1998


    Aren’t the wheels a dead giveaway?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Looks to be a genuine performance alright.
    wheels.
    calipers.
    spoiler.
    Pedals.

    And for ultimate confirmation, it will have the red line on the main computer screen.

    Looks fantastic that car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Dozz


    Im planning on taking a test drive in a Model Y today and was wondering what the story is about registering for the test drive and placing a deposit but also being able to get my €250 deposit back if I change my mind at a later stage?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,329 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Even though the site states that you can lose it, they have been returning it in most cases here.

    At the moment, there doesn't really seem to be a long wait either. So, no need to rush into putting down the deposit on the day. You can take a few days to think about it. Also, it moves really fast when you do order, so be ready to move. I was surprised at how quickly it all happened.

    If you go PCP, you can go through their finance partner. If you have a car to trade in, make sure it has the NCT for at least 30 days or they won't take it.

    Do visit the referral thread and use one of those during the order process. You can't add it later, and it will give you 1000km of supercharger credit.

    I bought one a few weeks ago so it's fresh if you have any other questions.



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