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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,699 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Its a fast moving thread, and No, I do not favour and approve of settlements in the West Bank.

    Have said this countless times.

    Happy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I know from your posts that you seem to uncritically support nearly everything Israel does, but it is either completely naive on your part, or else completely disingenuous, to suggest that the potential annexation of some or all of Gaza is "claptrap". Do you also believe the reference to Israeli war crimes is also "claptrap"?

    Post edited by Frank Grimes on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Do you have a source for that? Public perception of Israel isn't great but I've seen nothing anywhere near 95% of this. You're in a bubble it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,155 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Would you accept that the buk of their in the West support comes from the far right, conservatives and 'Christian Zionists' i.e. right wing Christian fundamentalists? Irrespective of what they are doing in Gaza, Zionism is clearly a far right movement and is identified as that by nearly everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Somebody else posted this, but see below. Not quite 95%, but there is a low opinion of Israel amongst the vast majority of people in 24 countries included in the research below. This is the case even amongst staunch allies - which judging by the actions of our politicians (Ireland aside), you would not know about it. Strangely, India and Nigeria have high approval ratings for them.

    The data is skewed more towards left (dislike) to right (supportive). I sit in the middle of that spectrum, and never had any opinions on Israel prior to this conflict, wished them well. Obviously that has changed!

    I have no idea why the further right you go, the more people support Israel. There was a time the further right you went into the extremes, the more you wanted Jewish people exterminated. It seems Jews have been have been replaced by Muslims if this thread anything to go by.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/03/most-people-across-24-surveyed-countries-have-negative-views-of-israel-and-netanyahu/

    That being said, I have no idea how other countries data compares to this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Happy? No, but I appreciate you answering the question rather than skirting around it like others do.

    It still doesn't quite compute for me that you are against those settlements, but a few days ago were harking back to the Palestinians rejecting deals 80 years ago as some kind of justification and saying they needed to "cop on". Just accept their lot in life? Being bombed and starved into submission?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    I agree the hostages should be released without question. But it will change nothing. Nethanyahu doesn't care one jot about people turning on him. They are very close to becoming a pariah state as it is, once the US comes to a point where they have enough, they will be beyond all redemption then. Are you still using the 50 remaining hostages (27 of whom Israel believes are already dead) as a justification for the massacre of 55,000 people? Do you not think that is wrong? That it is disproportionate? Or are they still "defending themselves"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    but they are not fighting. There’s hardly any left. When was the last rocket fired on Israel? April?

    Hamas are a terrorist organisation and I make no attempt to defend them. But Israel at this stage are no better. And that’s saying something.

    There is literally a whole different conversation happening now about concentration camps and forced displacement, and Hamas are hardly mentioned any more in that. It’s clear nothing will deter the Israelis at this stage.

    The hypocrisy is unbelievable. NATO bombed Milosevic for his war crimes in Bosnia, what the Israelis are going is no better. But they’re our friends, so we must support them regardless. It’s shameful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,563 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah, we should wait until they're all already locked up in the Rafah gulag before anyone speaks out against it

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Exactly. It’s almost as bad as the “innocent until proven guilty” line. Shameful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,070 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Not this yet again !!! How often do I have to post this?

    https://www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/netanyahu-wont-stop-gaza-war-even-if-hamas-releases-hostages



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,794 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Hitting the church was a bad mistake by Israel. Lucky only 3 fatalities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,070 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I have shown my grandchildren, who are 15 and 16, some of the comments here and they ask '' how can people be so cruel? I have no answer to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,070 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Exactly what I thought. How come the ''bad Islamists'' didn't harm them and it took the ''most moral army'' to murder Catholics??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    More details on the strike on the Church

    "

    Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, earlier spoke to Vatican News:

    “What we know for sure is that a tank, the IDF says by mistake, but we are not sure about this, they hit the Church directly, the Church of the Holy Family, the Latin Church”, he said. 

    " - .VA link.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭CFlat


    Mistake? Do u really believe that? Cause if you do, I have some magic beans I can sell you.

    Only 3 fatalities. Ah that's OK so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,563 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Or maybe you don't stand aside and let someone commit a crime so you can hold a trial for them afterwards.

    Every government that appeases this israeli government are culpable in the genocide.

    The EU should be ashamed

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭circadian


    Mistake? Is that why Gaza is completely flattened? A mistake?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It depends. In general yes but in terms of actual Zionists you can definitely include left wingers. You know those hawks that make western media and entertainment, fill it with the greatest load of woke nonsense. DEI and LGBTQ to the max. The type who tell us white males are the biggest threat in the West. You think oh they'd be a perfect match for their fellow left winger Palestine marches but then you realise they were born in Tel Aviv and actually support Zionism. They also support mass immigration from the 3rd world to the West and a dilution of nationalism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Assuming you get a direct and coherent response from that poster, which you won't in all likelihood, it'll be no doubt along the lines of 'well if they really wanted to kill people they'd have killed more' argument that gets put forward when posters of that mindset are trying to excuse mass murder/ethnic cleansing/genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Israel were never better. They never really respected Christians in the region. Sure this week alone settler's are attacking Christian churches which date back to Christ. Those settlers are like the gung ho red necks of Israel except they've been completely empowered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭circadian


    Absolute nonsense and it sounds like everything you don't like is DEI or Woke. I don't see anyone saying white males are the biggest threat. Wtf are you on about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Do you have any idea what any of what you have posted means, or are you just regurgitating crap you've read on Facebook and Twitter? I'm guessing no because even using the 'logic' of mindless American bullshit what you're saying makes little sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    India alone would heavily sway support for Israel among those 24 countries unless you value an Indian life less.

    They have huge support from the Hindu right whereas you can probably guess who islamic Indians support. I think the Hindu support comes from common ground between the faiths. Something to both believing in a homeland for their respective religions whereas Islam and Christianity in their very nature seek to dominate the globe. I'm open to correction there. Plus India has it's own issues with an islamic people looking to spread and dominate their culture.

    I'm surprised to hear about Nigeria but I'm guessing islamic Nigerians support Palestine and the Christian side might lean more towards Israel. China would be an interesting study. I doubt you'll get a wide ranging poll of the Chinese people as their dictatorship controls the narrative with an iron fist but I read before how the Chinese view Israel as an American plug in, in the region so therefore have a negative stance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I mean open your eyes. Look at almost every movie, TV show, video game, TV advert. The most discriminated person in the western world is the straight white male. We're under scrutiny from every angle and this is pushed by the Zionists. Makes me laugh when people would claim we'd support the Israeli's. They hate our guts, seek to divide us both ethnically and socially. Just look at Ireland. A huge level of diversity forced upon us as government funded NGO's are created to tell us how racist we are.

    Just look what our fellow resident Zionist agent shatter did when public opinion never suggested Ireland wanted more immigration.

    "Under his guidance, major reforms were introduced in 2011 into Ireland’s citizenship laws and a new Citizenship Ceremony was created. Shatter both devised and piloted Ireland’s first ever citizenship ceremony which took place in June 2011 and a new inclusive citizenship oath which he included in his reforming legislation. During his time as Minister, he cleared an enormous back log of citizenship applications and 69,000 foreign nationals became Irish citizens. Some applications had lain dormant for 3 to 4 years. He introduced a general rule that save where there was some real complication, all properly made citizenship applications should be processed within a six month period. Shatter also took steps to facilitate an increased number of political refugees being accepted into Ireland and created a special scheme to facilitate relations of Syrian families already resident in Ireland who were either caught up in the civil war in Syria, or in refugee camps elsewhere as a result of the civil war in Syria, to join their families in Ireland."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    You should post this nonsense in the conspiracy theories forum, I have no interest in engaging with this mindless, and most likely anti-Semitic and racist, drivel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭circadian


    Wild. One of the more out there posts I've read recently.



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