Hamas strike on Israel

I literally only follow the Israeli side of this. I do not follow any social media relating to this apart from discussing it here.

The plan of the Rafah camp for two million people, where they won't be able to leave, and there won't be education etc., is what Israel is telling the world.

There is no fake news or propaganda. Israel is just declaring its plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza, and the West is going along with it. They offer incentives to settle the West Bank, and the West makes a token effort of sanctioning settlers, but still supports the government that dishes out the incentives.

It's the most diabolical situation and the West has lost all moral authority by giving in and supporting it. Ireland is tiny and irrelevant on the scale this is happening at, but I am at least proud we have taken a stand against what will always be looked back on as one of the most horrifying periods in human history.

Do you genuinely believe this? That Gaza would be allowed to survive and thrive if the hostages were released? A two-state solution to happen?

Israel were Hamas's biggest supporters for a reason. They were warned about the attack a year beforehand. They don't care about the hostages. They don't care about Palestinian civilians. All they have ever cared about was stopping the formation of a Palestinian state.

October 7th gave them the apparent justification to carry out the ethnic cleansing that is publicly advertised by the Israeli administration. I find it frankly ludicrous that today, in July 2025, anyone thinks this has anything to do with Hamas and the hostages anymore.

I doubt it the words Hamas or hostages even come up in high level talks in Israel anymore. It's obviously completely geared towards the eradication of the people.

You think I am anxious to be anti-Israel? I wouldn't give a toss about Israel if they weren't doing what they are doing now.

This sort of argument is completely at odds with the reality of how people think. I am appalled and angry every day at what is happening to people in Gaza and the West Bank. That it is Israel conducting it is only relevant because the west supports them and allows it to happen.

With other cases of brutality by a state, my government and those of my friends have been against it. This is different, and it's why people care so much.

Yes, free the hostages. They are further victims of this.

While you might think this would stop and Gaza return to a normal functioning place is where we differ. It has been obvious to me for many many years that the people of Gaza will always live miserable lives because it is in Israel's larger goals that they do so.

This didn't happen because of October 7th. Gaza is an unfathomably worse place to be since then, but it was already hell on earth beforehand.

Israel doesn't care about the hostages. It has been reported than Netanyahu slowed down the release of them because this is what Israel wants.

It is beyond my understanding that people can have such little empathy for others. I don't get it.

You cannot support the Nazis by ignoring the Holocaust. You just can't. You cannot justify what they did to Jews by calling it a war against Jews, when they had complete control over the lives of those trapped in concentration camps.

Once you have the gift of life or death, you are responsible.

Israel supported Hamas for its aims. They were warned and did nothing. They brutalised Palestinians for decades and when they attacked, they took their chance to ethnically cleanse them. Anyone who doesn't see this is on a drip of Israeli propaganda.

"Kinda" is doing a lot of work there.

And no, they propped them up to stop the formation of a Palestinian state. Do I really need to go looking for the links again.

I would love if my tirade of posts here in the last hour could at least somehow convince certain posters that our views on this come from seeing a humanitarian crisis unfold.

I have Jewish and Israeli friends. I have no issue with Israel existing as a normal country. The two people in this world I respect the most are the creators of nand2tetris, both Israeli academics. (Though I haven't checked their views on things because I don't want to my hopes that they are reasonable people be crushed.)

If the Jews hadn't had that uprising in the Warsaw ghetto, the Nazis would never have had to implement the final solution.....

The Brits seem to have lost the run of themselves -

"A man has been charged under the Terrorism Act after allegedly displaying a poster in his window expressing support for the banned organisation Palestine Action.

Police Scotland have confirmed the 38-year-old was arrested in Glasgow on Wednesday."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0qn8vz00no