2025 F1 General Discussion Thread

AMKC · 12-07-2025 10:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123628682#Comment_123628682

Thank You. Bi-weekly would have been great monthly just does not cut it. Such s pity. I don't see it lasting much longer sadly and its there own doing.

Brief_Lives · 12-07-2025 10:16PM

Max Verstappen's jet has landed in Sardinia. This comes one day after Ralf Schumacher claimed Toto and Max will be meeting there.

So both Toto and Max's private jets and yachts were in Sardinia yesterday.

looks like it is happening.

AMKC · 12-07-2025 10:43PM

Is anyone here going to this?

https://www.ticketmaster.ie/artist/5561429?venueId=198928&fbclid=PAQ0xDSwLftglleHRuA2FlbQEwAGFkaWQBqyNmh-g8UgGnl2G-D7z9AcIebUMM6wb2W6IFaxCxq1YN9we-MZAHhl2cpAnKEW0291OWjDI_aem_0MKIY6bCSriHK4mMpKw7ug

Not cheap.

Frank Bullitt · 13-07-2025 01:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123626416#Comment_123626416

What are you on about?

The title went to the last race in 1998, 2000, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2021 (these are off the top of my head. These were with different teams as well as drivers, so what are you even trying to say?

Nowhere have I sad single team dominance is new, it sounds like you’re angry at the wind.

Slutmonkey57b · 13-07-2025 06:26AM

It sounds like you're extremely angry at the idea that drivers might not be very important in the grand scheme of things.

To any long term fan of the sport, that genuinely isn't news. It's not controversial.

AMKC · 13-07-2025 07:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123629194#Comment_123629194

I am confused. Are them dates for the constructors or drivers titles?

Of the top of my head Mclaren won the WCC in 1998 and the WDC too with Mika Hakkinin.

2000 was Ferrari with Micheal Schumacher.

Anyway I got lazy so here you go

From 1998 to 2012, the Formula 1 Constructors' Championship winners were:

McLaren (1998), Ferrari (1999-2004, 2007-2008), Renault (2005-2006), Brawn GP (2009), and Red Bull Racing (2010-2012)

Jacovs · 13-07-2025 07:27AM

It does beg the question; why are some teams willing to pay $65mil for a driver? Or if you will, why are some drivers worth $60-$65mil and others only $1mil?

Frank Bullitt · 13-07-2025 07:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123629299#Comment_123629299

More so drivers, as the poster was saying that F1 has mostly been characterised by one team dominating. I was pointing out that 2 teams and drivers had battles that went to the last round, so domination is a bit misleading.

Frank Bullitt · 13-07-2025 07:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123629265#Comment_123629265

You’re argument doesn’t hold water, if it were the case then if a dominant car was the only factor, both drivers of that team would be first and second in every championship.

To long term fans of the sport, we know it’s horseshit to think like that.

You seem to know best, we must tell all the teams they are overpaying these superstar drivers for nothing.

Slutmonkey57b · 13-07-2025 09:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123629325#Comment_123629325

F1 is a sport based on spending farcical amounts of money to extract every marginal gain possible. Literally millions on hundredths of a second. I make no differentiation between them spending it on a wind tunnel or a driver.

Driver salaries are usually largely or wholly paid by sponsors, because there's a marketing element to them. You can bring a driver to a marketing event but that's less easy with a wind tunnel. Bernie famously said he never paid a driver in his life.

If Alpine or Haas offered verstappen double his salary to drive for them, would he do it? No. Why?

dulpit · 13-07-2025 09:50AM

Put any other driver in the red bull last year and they don't win the driver's championship. Saying the driver isn't important is a nonsense.

thefa · 13-07-2025 10:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123584772#Comment_123584772

Bit late to the party but just watched the F1 movie and went straight to YouTube to get the proper fix from the last race of Days of Thunder!

F1 movie takes itself fairly seriously and I was engaged throughout. Some of the tactics though (like the Apex drivers tag teaming LeClerc & Hamilton) was more akin to Talladega Nights.

AMKC · 13-07-2025 10:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123629436#Comment_123629436

Because he would know they are lying to him and could not afford to pay him double his salary.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123629322#Comment_123629322

Awe ok. Yes I agree with you especially during the Red Bull years. Alonso could have had ot in 2012 had Ferrari not fucjed up the strategy in Bahrain was it?where he got stuck behind the Renault and could not pass.

Frank Bullitt · 13-07-2025 05:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123629436#Comment_123629436

Your first paragraph gives it all up pal, you’ve no idea what you’re on about. Have you heard of the budget cap at all?

Bernie was full of his own praise.

“If”, I don’t go with hypothetical scenarios, it shows the weight of your argument that you have to rely on one.

Frank Bullitt · 13-07-2025 05:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123629579#Comment_123629579

That was 2010, and Abu Dhabi.

Slutmonkey57b · 13-07-2025 07:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123630944#Comment_123630944

It's not hypothetical. There is no way a "star" driver is going to volunteer to drive a **** car from a bad team. You want a different example of how that goes other than Alonso? Emerson Fittipaldi, greatest driver of the time, left Lotus and took a chance on building up his own team with his brother. How did that work out? Spoiler alert: badly.

You made the argument that driver salaries prove something, all I've done is rebutted it. Again, I don't know why you're so adamant that a well known truth is somehow a fringe opinion.

Frank Bullitt · 13-07-2025 07:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123631180#Comment_123631180

Emerson Fittipaldi, greatest driver of the time

Now this is a new one…

You’ve rebutted nothing pal, your “well known truth” isn’t based on an ounce of fact either.

Brief_Lives · 14-07-2025 12:00AM

has this been posted? it's quite good, long, but good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_h6QCJ9JnM

Slutmonkey57b · 14-07-2025 12:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123631234#Comment_123631234

Fittipaldi was a journeyman nobody, then, according to.... a tedious troll?

Good thing the ignore button still works.

Frank Bullitt · 14-07-2025 03:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123632082#Comment_123632082

This is all very confusing now.

Take care there.

dulpit · 14-07-2025 08:48AM

In this era of double and triple headers, having a 3 week gap between races when it's not the summer break should be banned.

prawnsambo · 14-07-2025 12:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123629436#Comment_123629436

So the driver does make a difference, hence spending millions on them.

Slutmonkey57b · 14-07-2025 01:20PM

If you think there's some amazing gotcha between "a difference" and "a miniscule difference" then I'm sorry to tell you I'm not writing in pain from a burn here.

Driver salaries are outside the cost cap and are largely subsidised by marketing partners. Again, not news to anybody so I don't know what the excitable crowing is about.

You want to believe that your favourite driver X is the defining thing which wins races? Go ahead. The facts don't back you up 99% of the time, but sure.

prawnsambo · 14-07-2025 01:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123633414#Comment_123633414

You like rewriting your own posts when an internal inconsistency is spotted. Nowhere do you say "miniscule difference" in the post I quoted and no post facto quotation marks will change that.

The fact is, tens of millions are spent on the best drivers whether that be by the teams or sponsors - and I see little difference in the two since it's the driver who's the ultimate beneficiary. But you go on dancing on the head of your pin in ever more frantic attempts to deny it.

Slutmonkey57b · 14-07-2025 02:52PM

You're jumping on a perceived wording gap pretending I changed my mind. My point has remained consistent: driver performance is vastly outweighed by car and team performance 99% of the time. Drivers are paid for the 1% where they do actually make a difference. If you had to choose what's important when spending money to win races, you spend it on things other than drivers practically all the time.

Hamilton is paid more than Leclerc or Russell. Both were faster than him in the same machinery. Why pay him more, by your logic?

Because he's an enormous marketing asset that goes far beyond F1. Which is why drivers are paid by sponsors and sit outside the cost cap, whereas wind tunnel and cfd time is heavily regulated. One provides a significant bearing on performance, the other might, possibly, on the right day, in the right circumstances, if there's an opportunity and they don't make mistakes.

dulpit · 14-07-2025 03:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123633836#Comment_123633836

Car is obviously important, but the driver's championship has been won 12 times by a driver not in the winning constructor. So driver is vital too, and it's absolute nonsense to suggest they only contribute 1% to the overall performance.

prawnsambo · 14-07-2025 05:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123633836#Comment_123633836

I'm not pretending anything. You've pretended to quote yourself when you didn't say what you put in quotation marks and I've called you on it.

You're quoting percentages as if they're fact "99% of the time" is an opinion not a fact and one I'm disputing. Hamilton is paid highly because he's a seven time world champion. That's proven success and what dictates his pay. Same as any other professional athlete. If teams thought like you, they'd never get a top driver.

Edit: And btw, if you're going to reply to me, then quote me. Unless you don't want me to be notified of your reply of course.

Frank Bullitt · 14-07-2025 05:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123633836#Comment_123633836

Hamilton is paid more than Leclerc or Russell. Both were faster than him in the same machinery. Why pay him more, by your logic?

Why is a 7x world champion paid more than Leclerc or Russell? Really?

prawnsambo · 14-07-2025 05:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123634516#Comment_123634516

We're in the realms of the ultra-ridiculous at this stage. Quite something.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-07-2025 08:20PM

Ah here. Somehow you've all divided yourselves into groups that are either saying drivers are 1% of total performance or denying that driver pay is heavily linked to status and marketability rather than just raw pace.

Neither side of the discussion is covering itself in glory

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