2025 F1 General Discussion Thread

There were rumors Horner was visiting Aston Martin and the Ferrari rumours are ongoing.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/christian-horner-brushes-off-ferrari-f1-swap-rumours/10728027/

Red Bull went with Horner through the Renault years, so performance is no excuse.

They might look for a new start. New engine, aero team is lagging. A more elegant way would have been to promote him to head of red bull motorsports, same as klopp is for football.

If he doesn't move to a different team, he will land at FIA somewhere (please replace Sulimani)

Did they fire Horner cause Max is going or to stop max going?

For Max a swap to Mercedes makes sense. Win some titles there, go to Ferrari become the goat

Mad news, very weird time for the team now.

Would he go to Ferrari?

There's talk of them setting up in England. So maybe that.

According to Erik Van Haren, Verstappens camp didn't push for Horner to be sacked and him being sacked doesn't guarantee Max will stay. There could an announcement before Spa or Hungary about Verstappens plans

Rumours been doing the rounds for a while that the new RBPT might be underpowered. The car instability and their inability to remedy that and a new in-house engine which might be on a par with the current Renault one spells midfield.

Merc have been doing OK this season, and McLaren are obviously powered by Mercedes so its likely that Merc would be a better bet next year than Red Bull. I think Max will leave if its a viable option. No doubt he will have a get out clause if Mercedes stink the place out

If Merc weren't interested they would have Russell tied down on a 2 or 3 year contract already. Wouldn't be surprised if Russell ended up at Aston Martin.

One percent is hilariously reductive. You might as well say they have no input, which is clearly not the case. Max winning a WC whilst Checo was languishing in midfield is a case in point.

You miss the bit about the WC?

You said "That's a driver beating his teammate, not a driver beating another team."

Winning a WC is a driver beating all the other teams.

You said the driver was only 1% of the package. That's clearly not the case. As I pointed out with Max and Checo. Same cars, different results. It's the yardstick by which all drivers can be fairly measured - their teammates.

And Alonso has shown the same domination of his teammate. Scoring podiums whilst Stroll struggled.

People seem to forget that Red Bull were clearly the best car for almost half of last season. Max won 7 out of 10 races and could have won 9 of 10 only for brake failure and an unlucky safety car. Perez had a good few second places and podiums in first half of that season too. Perez form dropped off a cliff as the car became impossible for him to drive after that.

In 2021 Red Bull and Mercedes were fairly evenly matched.

I wouldn't agree that the driver contributes only 1% and the car is 99% but it's not a million miles off the truth. I believe there are a number of drivers that would have won titles if they were Verstappens Red Bull seat and given the same No.1 driver status, but on the flip side I don't think many would have pulled off winning in 2021 and 2024.

I see the internet detectives are working overtime today after Ralf Schumacher saying yesterday that Max and Toto were both heading to Sardinia this week, both their yachts are there,Maxs jet landed there today for a few hours and allegedly had coffee together. It's crazy how the social media of f1 gossip works

Google would have told you quicker