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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,140 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    What has changed for those people that bought 20km away? Assume you don't mean somebody living somewhere 50 years, but somebody who bought post airport being built?

    I'm genuinely curious if many of the noise complaint people are experience an unexpected level of noise. Or an exactly as expected level of noise. (as I say this as somebody who bought close to an airport)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,140 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I don't disagree with that. I've point out their nonsense in multiple post. Didn't get a response, but that's expect when you point out distorted data, or to put it another way, complete waffle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,140 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Neither the current, or proposed caps are artificial or arbitrary. They were all based tangible limits at the time of writing. They just need to be updated. to 36m 40m 44m etc. And some point the runway come into play.

    This is completely normal in planning and development. The issue here is simply DAA and FCC are both insanely slow actioning anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Pygmie


    The affected villages in East Meath (Ashbourne, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Kilbride, etc) have been there long before the airport and have generations of families living there, with the problems only existing since the opening of the north runway.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I didnt say it was arbitrary I said it was artificial. Which, given they are operating well above the cap and everything is fine, is clearly true.

    I have no interest in rehashing this argument anyway - and I don't care whose fault it is. The key point is that any "cap" should relate to actual capacity of the airport. The only restrictions should be night time ones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭dublin12367




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    OK, how do you propose to fix it? Your "solution" seems to fix something but you don't propose how to fix it. Because you know it can't be fixed, you don't have a solution because there is no solution. The cap will be lifted permanently and the matter will be taken off Fingal's CC hands very soon. These are the facts, your points and arguments are mute at this point. If I was to hazard a guess I'd say you don't even live in the affected area



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Pygmie


    You seem to have some inside knowledge nobody else has. If you think the cap gets lifted permanently very soon, then you are deluded. And the term is 'moot', not 'mute'. Hard to take your post seriously for a number of reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    Interesting that you didn't counter argue that you do not live in the affected area



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Pygmie


    I do live in the affected area. I've always been up front about that. And anybody on here (including yourself) who doesn't live in those areas should comment on the noise level, because you don't know what you're talking about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paul2019


    If you get to cap air passenger numbers, then I get to cap DART passenger numbers - see, we can all NIMBY-on like you.

    Also, I suffer from 24/7 traffic noise from people driving 4 metres from my living room and front bedroom - maybe close the road to traffic from 23:00 to 08:00?

    After all, I'm entitled to my peace and quiet, am I not - just like you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Pygmie


    Yeah, sure. Do what you like! Nobody is stopping you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paul2019


    And, I live a lot closer to the airport than you…and JAYSUS, the noise…where to start with the NIMBYism…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Kev11491


    Why don't we just bulldoze swords for a third runway 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Kev11491


    1000013676.jpg

    Hotel is coming along nicely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,747 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Nobody will get a minutes sleep in that hotel.

    Oh wait. Hotels have been in airports since CJH was a baby, and they managed to get around the noise issue.

    Why can't householders do the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,140 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    If you think it was a artificially imposed, that would make it arbitrary. The specific word is not important, I understood what you meant.
    It wasn't an artificial cap. It was based on the actual design capacity in 2008 (as stated by DAA in the PP application).
    It's not like they haven't upgraded anything since then.

    And it's not operating well above the cap. It's exceed it by what 5%? That's pretty marginal. Could go to 10% sure, but won't go to 25% with further development.
    The no build application invites a cap of 36m, the infrastructure application 40m. Those are not artificial numbers, they are based on real expected limits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,140 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    At risk of stating the obvious.
    Those US passengers have the option of Shannon or Dublin now. The fact that the passengers numbers are seeing large increases in Dublin, but not Shannon pretty much confirms that they do in fact want to come to Dublin. Which really undermines your argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Pygmie


    That's because there are currently more options into Dublin now. Introduce more options into Shannon and leave Dublin as it is, and see the numbers increase in Shannon. I know this is a Dublin airport infrastructure thread, but really the blinkered view that Dublin airport is the be-all and end-all, when there is capacity in other regional airports, is bonkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That isn't how airline routes work.

    Airlines moved flights from Shannon to Dublin as the demand wasn't there at Shannon. Philadelphia, Toronto etc. People don't want to go to Shannon and won't take well to being forced - they'll go somewhere else entirely.

    Airlines aren't going to introduce flights at Shannon unless there is demand or a huge pile of money thrown at it. So, like the other poster, do you want piles and piles of money incinerated so that someone in Shannon comes on here and moans about noise rather than you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,039 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    "introduce more options into Shannon"

    So try to force airlines to fly more aircraft into one place when they'd rather fly them elsewhere.

    We tried that for decades and it did immense damage to the economy of the whole country.

    There is plenty of capacity at Dublin btw.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    How do you propose to do that? Pay the airlines to fly there? As in taxpayer subsidies? Is that a wise use of our money? How else would you suggest this is done? Perhaps a forced stopover like the "good ole days"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Pygmie


    Specious reasoning. You are all basing those arguments on another time, when the Dublin airport cap wasn't being breached. Time for new ideas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Hand-waving away valid points taking your argument apart isn't effective.

    People just didn't fly. It didn't matter that Dublin wasn't capped - when forced to go to Shannon instead, they went somewhere else entirely.

    The exact same would apply now - people aren't going to go to Shannon by force.

    You want us to incinerate millions paying airlines to fly empty aircraft to Shannon so someone else can have some mild inconvenience. Turbo-NIMBYism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Pygmie


    You're the one waving away valid points. You're basing your argument on a time when Shannon and the other regional airports didn't have the investment they do now. A bit more investment and travellers will be happy to use them. A bit of outside-the-box thinking, and getting away from the huge Dublin bias, and everyone can benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    No, I'm pointing out the gaping holes and fallacies in your micron-thin argument; all of which is trying to hide your turbo NIMBYism behind something. You aren't making valid points in the slightest, and ignore when they're torn to bits.

    What you're trying to claim now is simply untrue and easily disproved. Shannon had a brand new terminal, Dublin was operating out over an overcrowded 30 year old one.

    People still didn't want to go to Shannon and as a result didn't go anywhere.

    Your final line is entirely about you wanting the incineration of millions of euro for your benefit alone.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Most people booking flights to Ireland don't even know Shannon exists and never will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,140 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    There are more options into Dublin because there is more demand. You do understand that flight numbers are based on supply and demand. If airlines could sell more tickets from Shannon they would. They aren't turning people away.

    What you are basically suggesting is that they should under supply flights seats to dublin, and fly half full planes from Shannon in force people over. That's absolutely bonkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,140 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The cap is administrative, not regulatory. It is and was always temporary. And the authorities were clear that it would be raise in line with future development. There's no good reason why that time isn't now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    I'm living in a housing estate. Neighbour has had a gardner in for 2 full days with power tools. Lots of noise. Can I get a barring order?

    Road is near M50 so we get a lot of traffic going by to access. Could I get the govt to put a limit on cars on M50?

    I could live with the noise knowing I bought with my eyes wide open. I could sell and move somewhere really rural with no neighbours and very little traffic. My choice. What I cant do is moan and look for artifical and unreasonable barriers to be placed on every one else so I can get what I want where I want.



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