Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, this is the most crucial and important piece of infrastructure on this island

Well I've lived in Glasnevin,Santry and currently Meath all on flights paths one way or another for over 50 years and have seen and heard the airport grow along the years. I support the phased growth of Dublin airport due to the benefits it brings to the local areas in jobs and economic spin offs as well but also the proposed sustainability projects currently attached to the permissions. I also respect the right of affected people to appeal etc. over the various planning permissions submitted by the DAA but a balance needs to be struck and unfortunately it will be decided by the various court cases as local agreement will not be possible. Again everyone local is well aware of the location of the airport and the downside of being with 30-50 miles of such a major facility. As I mention a balance needs to be achieved and some of the areas that I feel could go a long way to address local concerns are the flight paths from the North runway 28R, the night time flights cap currently with ABP and dare I mention the long promised metro!. Not everyone will be happy with the outcome regardless of the decisions but its a national infrastructure and its not moving anywhere soon….

What is your solution then rather than saying "simply not true" when someone counter points you?

Fair enough, but it can easily be argued to be the second most important piece of infrastructure after the electrical grid so therefore my actual point "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", this is fact the airport is staying where it is and will absolutely grow, do you propose any solutions to this problem to the few it affects that does not disproportionately affect the vast majority of people on this island ?

You may be the type to plan for the future. But, respectively, making that plans for the airport is not your role. But it probaby is/was somebody's role. It's naïve to think that just because you have not been seen future plans, that no future plan exists. The design of the dual runway only most certainly considered hypothetical terminals to utilise it's capacity.

My fear is that if there is no limit (reasonable - not the stupid one we have in place now) in place then there will be unrestricted growth.

That's not how planning law works. Even if the cap and any future caps were removed. The airport still needs to apply to a planning authority for permission to develop. It's not an carte blanche to unrestricted development.

I agree. But it was on the DDA to start the process, and they carry the bulk of the blame. I've said multiple times that they should have started this 5 years ago. Maybe they had a reason, maybe it was simply apprehension with Covid affecting air travel so significantly.

I don't care about the airlines and their profits. Most of them (including the ones you mention) aren't even Irish airlines. And the US officials coming over to discuss the cap can do one. We can see where your sympathies lie anyway.

That’s an excellent point. Most of them aren’t Irish airlines yet they are doing their best to get into Ireland and/ or expand here… because there’s demand. They could go anywhere else in the world.

The 150 people only being affected is a facile argument. Not everyone that is affected will download an app, and sign up to make a complaint, with a lot more preferring to complain to their local TDs, which they've done. Indeed "A report by the aircraft noise regulator published last year found that the number of people living near Dublin Airport exposed to potentially harmful levels of aircraft noise at night-time is up 10pc to almost 1,700 since 2019.

The report by the Aircraft Noise Competent Authority also revealed that more than 21,000 people living on flight paths used by aircraft taking off and landing at Dublin Airport suffered high levels of sleep disturbance."

But sure who cares about locals when there is money to be made to line the pockets of the airlines and the DAA cronies?

This is getting very silly.

150 people made complaints in May. That’s a fact. Like it or not it’s a fact. There’s multiple ways to make complaints too. Phone, email or the website.

New builds in Portmarnock are the reason for the increase since 2019. That’s therefore null and void as that runway is 36 years in operation. These people willingly moved there. And most of them to be fair probably pay no attention to the noise! No additional night flights have been granted since the north runway has come into operation in summer of 22.

But sure who cares about locals when there is money to be made to line the pockets of the airlines and the DAA cronies?

This is a very silly sentence and demonstrates clearly your lack of knowledge on the subject. Airlines aren’t flying into Dublin empty or for the fun of it. They are flying here because they can fill the seats. It’s the 5m +people in this country, including us locals, including Dubliners in the greater Dublin area, including those living across Leinster, Munster, Connacht and Ulster that the airport will be expanded for and cap lifted. It benefits us all. Not the daa and not the airlines. The airlines also bring tourists in, tourists who support the hotels, restaurants and attractions the length and breath of the county. The benefits are endless. If Delta for example can’t add more flights, they’ll go to Rome instead, while also complaining to the US government who in turn will limit Aerlingus access to the US. daa will still make their fortune off their airport charges while not having to build infrastructure, the airlines will make their money elsewhere flying different routes, meanwhile it’s the Irish who pay the price.

I live less than 20 metres from the DART railway line - an increasingly frequent mix of speeding DART and louder Diesel trains thunder past at all hours of the day and night. Sometimes they go by more slowly or even - horror of horrors - they stop altogether and commuters can look down on me to see what I'm up to in my own back garden or kitchen.

Do you think I have a case for a DART passenger cap? I knew full well there was a train line there when I moved in - I even guessed that train frequencies might increase in the future - but still and all. It just feels so unfair and oppressive!

I wonder could I get the media to take an interest in my plight? Must talk to the neighbours…

What has the DART got to do with Dublin Airport infrastructure? If you have a noise issue with the DART, maybe take it to a different thread?