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North Korea botched launch of North Korean Destroyer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Despite the American war in the 50s & rebuilding from scratch, they were ahead of the puppet state by standard of living until around the 1970s.

    Then despite additional trade & economic siege warfare imposed by the US (which I assume you are brushing off as a trifling non issue) they are doing very well internally. 100,000 free apartments handed over to citizens in Pyongyang alone over the last 3 years. Multiple new factories making more and more sanctioned products every year.

    Their domestic industrial & consumer production is close to sanction proof by now I would guess. Yes, they get help from China & Russia with defence and other technology.

    They have a poor mountainous geography and limited arable land (because of the violent foreign division of the country); and then all the normal problems that all countries have.

    I don’t read CIA affiliated media about the DPRK so I don’t know what internal mismanagement issues you are referring to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You need to make your mind to up, either NK wants involvement with the US or it doesn't. You claim it doesn't. So sanctions should be exactly what NK want. Stop complaining about the side of the fence NK picked in the first place.

    Economic collapse during the 1990s, unable feed its people. Economic policies stifling the economy.

    When you ask people in NK how things are, they say they can't complain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,821 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ah yes, sanctions, the usual excuse for failure

    There's no excuse for North Korea not being able to feed itself from its own resources - if it didn't have such a completely inept and corrupt system of 'government'

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    One clarification ...
    In the entire history of the country, outside localised wartime shortages, there was only one food shortage – the one in the early 1990’s which was caused by the sudden (literally overnight) termination of relied upon trade & economic flows with the USSR, exacerbated by a co-incidental drought along with US illegal unilateral sanctions (in third place).

    Some people who were there at the time say, while there was widespread hardship and little food in some places, it didn’t really qualify as famine.

    But there is no food shortage now or ever has been outside that brief window of time. This notion that there is ongoing hunger or state mismanagement at the present time or any other time is more of the same w... (I won’t keep repeating the phrases that define how divorced from reality that spin is, because it just becomes tedious).

    For all I know the WPK could want the US to go die in a ditch. It just wants to trade & exchange with other countries for mutual benefit without the US’s siege – whose power & relevance is declining fast thankfully!

    There are no policies stifling the economy. It is highly planned, works well and they are impressively efficient at meeting the sector targets they set (it’s something I read about regularly because I find it interesting).

    When you ask people in NK how things are, they say they can't complain.

    Really exposing your media consumption now. If you're lining up Yeonmi Park next – don’t bother.

    Shock, horror, there are people in every AES country who hate communism/socialism – or to put it another way, there are little mini Denis O’Brien or Michael O’Leary types even in the DPRK.
    Those voices are the only voices form the country amplified in Capitalist media. Calling it disingenuous spin doesn’t even come close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Actually what I've seen is media from North Korea, or I assume approved by NK since it's filmed with State officials and guides participating in it.

    I assume they thought it showed a functioning state and no shortages. It didn't. They weren't aware of it I assume because they have no frame of reference.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Don't know what to make of that but it sounds intriguing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Really exposing your media consumption now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,494 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's odder when they pass by those places on other days and they're basically abandoned (when the guides miss what was being recorded).

    And the eerie lack of cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    What news sources do you read about North Korea? Easy one to answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Fair question. 3 Trustworthy individuals who collate & highlight news articles.
    https://x.com/NatalieRevolts
    https://x.com/k1myojong
    https://x.com/Cherrykickstart

    I follow plenty of others on different apps but they only do some Korea news amongst many other topics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    X Seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,750 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Oh it gets better. The first one is blatantly a North Korea shill. Likely a Korean Friendship Association member by the looks of it.

    The second is an actual member of the Kim family. Yes…*that* Kim family.

    It would be like me saying. "Russia are totally in the right! I know because I follow vlad.putin on Telegram…*he'd* never lie to me!!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The irony of complaining about other peoples source of information (social media etc) then referring people to X accounts. Utter garbage.

    It's so naive and clueless it's painful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,750 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Ah but Flinty, don't you know…all other sources are part of the CIA Capitalist Imperial Military Complex™. You gotta instead trust painfully biased Kim-o-philes. That's where the truth is to be found…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Shill?
    For this and related topics, this is a defence mechanism of the mind that protects the individual from confronting the notion that everything they believe about (geo)politics is fraudulent rubbish. This is entirely understandable in a world 2/3 (soon 1/3) controlled by (capitalist) sociopaths who consider the masses “cattle with a human voice”.

    You have every right to want to not believe that 100,000 modern apartments were handed over to Pyongyang citizens for free (ie. no mortgages) over the last 3 years and prefer instead to believe ***** material ***** like :-

    KJU has people executed on Friday evenings by AA guns for poor job performance, poor sports performance or wrong haircuts or not having Kim’s portrait in their living rooms.

    Some people keenly want (or need) to believe CIA h*rsesh1t from their capitalist overlords and some people want to know what is actually going on in the world.
    It takes all kinds of people, I suppose.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I grew up in an eastern european communist country who emulated the NK model, including handing out of modern apartments. I find your posts disturbing and evil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Reading garbage on X has no credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Handing out apartments for free now is disturbing and evil!
    I think that is obviously:- Incorrect!

    Reading garbage on X has no credibility.

    Specific individuals have credibility. I could link the same people but on different platforms and I’m sure you’d come up with some other excuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    X is one of the most manipulated platforms on the planet. What's worse is only reading one viewpoint.

    No credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Handing out apartments for free now is disturbing and evil!

    It's the regime who does that who is disturbing and evil. Nothing is free, the people are being kept prisoners and in modern day slavery.

    Defending communist regimes is just as disturbing and evil as defending nazi and fascist regimes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,750 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Facinating…see what I mean? Right to the "CIA Capitalist Overlords" commentary.

    We're well used to the Putin bots over on the Russia forum, but actual Kimmy bots? What gets me more is the cognitave disinence. Everything contra to Pyongyang's position needs to be reframed as some kind of sinister Deep State US plot to crush the peace loving and rightious Korean "Communists". It requires a level of mental gymnistics that would put some of our MAGA "Centrist" friends to shame.

    Must be an awful lonely position to hold…given that objective reality and damn near the entire planet know otherwise. Ah well..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    given that objective reality and damn near the entire planet know otherwise

    You’re right in a way that most people in the OECD (US empire) sincerely believe in a casual, back of mind, accepting way this material to be true:-

    KJU has people executed on Friday evenings by AA guns for poor job performance, poor sports performance or wrong haircuts or not having Kim’s portrait in their living rooms.

    Sure, the ruling class finds the masses very easy to manipulate.

    But people who believe this AA gun story for example, what I describe as cartoonish CIA h*rsesh1t, are in a predicament.

    You MUST continue sincerely believing this (in an actively mindful, foreground way) and the rest of the stories published about Korea by the media or the entire belief structure collapses. You can’t pick and choose what to believe about Korea from capitalist media. Because if you dismiss even one story from them as fabricated that media organ has proven it is untrustworthy. So either,

    The AA gun story is accurate and true
    OR
    Capitalist media (all of it) is part of the war machine against Korea

    That’s your (plural) predicament; in a situation where capitalist media has been dumped by more and more people over the years for lying & misrepresenting different issues (unrelated to Korea or socialism) to protect the powerful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Anyone who has to continually refer to "capitalist media" is definitely au fait with open and honest discussion…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    What's the right term?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,494 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Here is an example of the AA gun story from Reuters:

    North Korea executes defence chief with an anti-aircraft gun: South Korea agency | Reuters

    They do clarify how reliable the information is:

    His execution was watched by hundreds of people, according to NIS intelligence shared with lawmakers.It was not clear how the NIS obtained the information and it is not possible to independently verify such reports from within secretive North Korea.

    However, it should be easier to show the alive state of Hyon Yong Chol who was executed if this wasn't true. And I presume Lucien has proof of alive-ness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,750 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Well…rather cleverly, we’ve stopped talking about how the North Koreans successfully derped their new Russian-engineered warship into the water sideways while Kimmy got a front row seat to the monumental feck-up.

    Let’s not forget either how the geniuses tried to hide their feck-up by wrapping it in collosal plastic bags…leaving a warship-shaped plastic bag stuck sideways on a wharf.

    But no…sorry….all that is just «Capitalist» CIA / FBI / RSVP / YMCA propaganda designed to melt your tiny little imperial minds! The North Koreans are actually really smart….they must be…they got Russians to build them a boat!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I was today years old when I learned that "necrocracy" was a word.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,750 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Not exactly Word a Day Calendar material is it? :P

    I had to recheck this one too, but it's a real word…with North Korea being to only current real-world example of it, by virtue of have the very dead (and probably mouldy) Kim Il Sung still functioning as Head of State.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    They could make an 80’s comedy called Weekend at Kimmies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,750 ✭✭✭Rawr




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