North Korea botched launch of North Korean Destroyer.

They had multiple "parties" in East Germany too. Didn't change a damn thing about who actually had the power.

It's funny reading the ravings of a communism fan in the 21st century. "Oh it's a really great idea. Yeah, I know it's been a miserable failure in every place and time it's been tried, but you never know, maybe next time is the charm!"

It's more that they try and defend "this" particular form of communism (effective monarchy) and seem to be quite pro-war at the same time.

KJU is not related to the previous head of State Kim Yong-nam as far as I know.
You’re clearly incorrect that its a monarchy and I am not going to provide more facts about how the DPRK is governed when all you seem to be able to do is ignore it.
Pro-war? The Western ruling class thinks they own the world and every thing in it and go to war incessantly to expand their empire & dominate the planet; and you think any country that doesn’t submit to that domination is pro-war. The innocence!

Going back to the launch accident. Do you laugh at industrial accidents in Ireland or OECD countries; Eg. If a worker is killed in a pharma plant in Limerick do you laugh at M.Martin?

You need to update your 1910’s era non-debate handbook;

Even by capitalist-imperialism’s own standards the 5 existing socialist/communist countries are each individually more developed and give their citizens a better quality of life than most of the other 200 or so capitalist countries*, with China superior to all but a handful of countries. That's despite decades of siege warfare, actual warfare and hybrid warfare from the Western ruling class.
(* admittedly many are in zones of plunder by US/UK/F imperialists).

Centrists, are hard to take seriously.
Imagine, having to pretend the psychotic ruling class doesn’t exist, as a starting point for their ideology.

Whether you're right or wrong, you speak for yourself and no one else.

Do a sentence or two on the human rights of the 3 million Koreans killed between 1945-1955 by the US war machine- both in a war of imperial aggression with the DPRK and in the large scale fascist massacres carried out in the US puppet state dictatorship upto 1988 (that were required to maintain the existence of that puppet state against the will of Koreans living there).

Going back to the launch accident. Do you laugh at industrial accidents in Ireland or OECD countries; Eg. If a worker is killed in a pharma plant in Limerick do you laugh at M.Martin?

Did they confirm any deaths from the launch? What do you think will happen to the 3 "responsible" scapegoats?

KJU is not related to the previous head of State Kim Yong-nam as far as I know.

No, but also wasn't the head of state, who was the "leader" during this period of time? Or are you belittling the little rocket man? They wouldn't take kindly to those thoughts in DPRK.

Even by capitalist-imperialism’s own standards the 5 existing socialist/communist countries are each individually more developed and give their citizens a better quality of life than most of the other 200 or so capitalist countries*, with China superior to all but a handful of countries. That's despite decades of siege warfare, actual warfare and hybrid warfare from the Western ruling class.

Name the 5 states and show the measures by which they have a better quality of life. I presume we are to ignore the frequent aid being sought by DPRK, their 10 year lower life expectancy vs. the South and their complete lack of infrastructure. I'd be interested in your explanations and look forward to a call out of conspiracies about capitalist countries.

This guy must love you

Not a gotcha or trick question:-

In the peasant revolt of 1525 in Southern Germany (btw, the peasants only wanted the most minimal lessening of obnoxious oppression) would you be on the side of the oppressing class & its sick servile madman commander Truchsess (who slaughtered 100,000 peasants after treacherously abrogating dozens of town peace treaties [because that's the kind of character the the ruling class employs to do such depravity]) or on the side of the peasants.

In the planned genocide of the Irish population by English sewer-dwelling fascist psychopaths in 1845 – would you be on the side of the landless Irish serfs or their v*rmin oppressors / executioners.

The situation in Korea is the exact same – one is either on the side of the psychopath warlords (US ruling class in this case) or the Korean people.

If you don’t want to answer this simple question, I can understand.

If you cannot see the US ruling class is the ugly malevolent b*stard child descendant in the long line of the worst misanthropic criminals of history i.e. Bismark, King Leopold of Belgium (arguably the most disgusting “man” in human history), every British PM since 1727 (front desk functionaries ofc), Kaiser Wilhelm, Tsar Nicholas, Hitler, every US president (front desk functionaries ofc), I don’t know what to tell you.

Putting any of the Kims in that category (Korea never attacked any other country in its thousands of years of history) is again non-engagable [ because it is aimed by oligarchs at the level of a 7 year old ] i.e. CIA brain-goo.

Do you support Kim Jong Un in his routine executions and forced labour camps? Are you worried about the 3 arrested individuals who are being blamed for the industrial accident?

Do you deny that the forced labour camps exist in North Korea?

What of Stalin?

The imperial aggression where DPRK invaded the ROK? 🙄

Technically it's hasn't been repaired. It's been refloated and towed to another repair yard for the rest of the work.

The expectation from experts was there wouldn't be much hull damage, thus quickly refloated.

The bigger issue is the superstructure which shows significant damage. Also internal machinery and equipment, electrics and electronics does not do well in water.

The other expectation is they've had Russian naval help in the recovery. Many of the systems are Russian. The repair date seems unrealistic. But for sure they've unlimited manpower to throw at it. So who knows. It's not like they'll be transparent with the process, so we'll never know.

If you have a navy there will be accidents.

Routine executions – baseless made up CIA war propaganda (remember the goo)
forced labour camps – baseless made up CIA war propaganda (yes the DPRK has prisons just like Ireland does)

Repetition is the key technique, which is why every media article on any DPRK topic has 20-30 of these unrelated messages that are drilled into the minds of the unaware.

The Western ruling classes secret police agencies have taken the DPRK propaganda to such extreme (cartoonish) levels over time that they’ve boxed themselves in a precarious corner, with growing awareness of how they operate.

After investigation, if it was just bad luck or carelessness they’ll be fine, obviously. However, the accident was so unusual & extreme that it would be natural to suspect that Western sabotage was involved. If that is found true then the guilty parties will face fair justice.

Another advantage centrists have is that by pretending there is no sociopathic ruling class they can then pretend there is no class war.

Self-inflicted famine – this is pretending there was no siege warfare carried out by the US ruling class & its vassals; which included the (US created & controlled) UN sanctions. You remember those sanctions - paragons to inhumanity, misanthropy & barbarism that people for some reason just accept as normal.

Sure, the citizens of occupied Korea deserve credit for their hard work and innovation. But they were helped by the US capitalists who had to make a success of their puppet for ideological reasons after class traitor US troops were kicked out of the North. So they funneled money, aid & all kinds of support in over time and the Koreans turned it into a success.

So the sociopath imperial model is:- Deliver massive ongoing support to puppet state
_______ Versus ________
Rain permanent War, siege war & threat of war down on the state targeted for destruction.

Do you think this is the height of human civilisation? Is this the apex of the ‘age of enlightenment’?

Low per capita gdp is less impactful when the state provides housing for free. Everyone in all parts of the country would have a free modern house or apartment decades ago if it wasn’t for the necessity to spend so much resources on defence against you know who?

Korea lost Korea to the Japanese. No one else. That's what started it.

The majority of the unrest before the war was caused by Koreans North and South.

No one else other than North Koreans (according to NK) launched as ship as a submarine. Trying to blame it on something from 80 years ago is a nonsense.

Most commentators are a bit confused what those two ships are intended for. They are blue water destroyers with no fleet to defend and no support shops to support them in blue water operations.

Much of what is being posted reads a lot like something I'd expect out of the Pyongyang-leaning "Korean Friendship Association" (KFA). Hallmarks of this are not only the use of "DPRK" when referring to North Korea, but in particular the absense of terms such as "South Korea" or "Republic of Korea / ROK" whenever referring to the South Korean state. That's because Pyongyang does not like to aknowledge the existence of South Korea as we know it. So you'll get terms like: "Imperial Puppet State", "Occupied Korea" and other terms designed to paper-over the functioning developed nation most people call South Korea.

The KFA leader, and human megaphone, is Alejandro Cao de Benós of Spain. He'll often echo these talking points and is North Korea's International "Useful-Idiot at Large" (he has an actual government title with North Korea…which I can't be arsed to remember). He made a very public arse of himself when he was successfully trolled by a Danish journaist into being a conduit for black-market weapons sales for North Korea. It…didn't go well…for him…

It just facinates me when I see this perspective in the Western world. We have access to damn near every perspecive on things like this, and yet you'll still get people willingly pigeon-holing themselves into a narrow totalitarian world-view that will never likely lead to anything positive. I really don't get it…