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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Dunno. It's frustrating that the dig hasn't found anything so far, even with cadaver dog being put to work - same in most (if not all) of the other cases. As another poster said, seems extraordinary if suspect would have consented to sale of parents' house if there were any remains buried there, but maybe as he wasn't the executor of the will, he didn't have a choice? But if a wealthy man as the media articles state and some links I've been shown back up, surely could have stepped into buy out siblings' interests in house from them? Perhaps he may have offered to buy siblings' interests but was turned down flat….no way of us knowing at this point, we don't know what family dynamic is or was. Bear in mind are other siblings also.

    edit:probably worth bearing in mind house sale was 2011, economy/property market still very depressed then, so even if suspect is wealthy now, back then may not have been: if it's true, as has been speculated that, he himself is involved in property investment, most people in that game were struggling back then, even the smart and canny operators. The less smart and canny ones and those who over-invested often had to declare bankruptcy or were at best technically insolvent, at least for a few years, before recovery in market from 2013/14 onwards.

    Back in 2011, a lot of them ie, those involved in property investment, had to go 'cap-in-hand', as it were (lol), to their banks for interest moratoriums and debt rearrangements and so on and in some cases were turned down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,598 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Did Bono ride Andrea Corr ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭The Moist Buddha


    doubt it, Damien Rice might have at some stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Were they searching that house all this weekend or is it mon-friday search only...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Cadaver dog is very particular about getting his overtime rates. No I'm joking, I have no idea.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Everyone now likes their weekend off ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭LunaLoo


    The independent said yesterday the search will continue into the weekend with the dog onsite as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    The main suspect would likely have been the same regardless of how long she was missing. With no body found, and likely already buried/hidden in a good spot the perpetrator would prefer to have a shorter window to have to have to "cover" for an alibi, and get as much heat off him as soon as possible. Could be a reason to send in the brother and girlfriend, get the ball rolling on the search etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I would think given he's living in France, a potential least lack of interest in pursuing his prosecution due to time passed and jurisdiction, the brother may well be able to provide a statement without any concerns about prosecution perhaps. Maybe they were able to come up with a compromise of "I cannot stand behind my original alibi statement" or something similar, and leave the rest of the sleeping dogs lie for him, and just focus on going after the brother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Yes there really would be little risk of him being extradited from France to face charges unless there was very strong evidence he was directly involved in something very serious like murder, even if he was, Ireland-to-France extradition doesn't have great history (Bailey case), possibly similar with France-to-Ireland. On paper two countries are close allies with obviously shared EU membership and extradition treaty in place but in practice…not so much…different legal systems and so on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Possibly, yes. Get the ball rolling on search for Annie early on and thus put AGS/media resources into search, while using the time to cover tracks.

    "oh gosh, yes, I heard Annie was missing, my brother was saying he was invited to a meal at her gaf but apparently was no answer when he arrived at her apartment, how awful, I must do my bit to help find her"

    And then he turns up being, shall we say, 'overly helpful' in the initial searches, according to a friend of Annie's who knew both her late father and her uncle. So he was overly helpful to get a steer on where the AGS were going with the investigation.

    The men were among Ms Carrick’s friends who assisted her late father John McCarrick and her uncle John Covell when they arrived in Ireland to search for her in 1993. Kenneth Strange, who has been looking into the case since 2005, recalls Mr Covell telling him of tensions with one of the brothers at that time.

    “I remember John Covell telling me that it was just unusual that he was so curious about the progress of the investigation, what they were finding, what they were not finding, and he was right with them all the time, to the point where John McCarrick allegedly had to yell at him and say, you know, ‘Butt out. This is none of your business now, stand down’,” he said.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41608546.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,151 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The fact that the searches at the house haven't yielded anything worth telling the media about so far is notable. If they were acting on a specific lead or intelligence you'd expect a discovery early on.

    Unless something changes quickly, I don't think they have anything of note on this suspect. They may have their suspicions but that's it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    While it looks like the brother/brothers probably wouldn't be classed as serial offenders and the killing of Annie mccarrick a moment of madness...not so much a twisted serial murderer still on the loose..were they ever a threat to society in general after that...I wouldn't think so...clever for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Barry Cummins reported from the site on Radio 1 on Saturday (think it was with Colm Ó Mongáin at 1pm) that searching was ongoing all weekend, but that the cadaver dog's work was finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Being a suspect does not in any way mean that one is guilty.

    If ever someone comes to trial in court, charged with murdering Annie McCarrick, I hope they don't escape justice on the grounds that a fair trial was made impossible by their being called Guilty in the media before they were ever tried.

    Many have been suspected of many things, often on very flimsy grounds; and many have turned out to be innocent when the real criminal is found. I'm taking no sides on this case (in public, anyway)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Someone did probably kill her and hid her body 32 years ago... no doubt if a number of suspects were detained and questioned and these was reported as so ...then it changes the narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭New Scottman


    Are there any examples of people getting off / trials collapsing due to social media comments?

    it’s frequently cited as a possibility & is used as a reason to turn off comments. But has it actually happened?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Crakepottle?


    So true. People have been identified and named on social media over the past few days, in some instances quite directly. Nobody can be sure of what happened all those years ago. Has Netflix et all turned us into judge, jury and executioner?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭lillycakes2


    wonder how long more they will be searching that garden?

    its nuts to imagine if his wife or children knew he had any link to this since it came out a bit in 2022/2023 .

    i only ever heard about "a stalker" then, think it was in a new documentary on tv about her and i member thinking it seemed pretty probable that that person did it.

    its awful really all those years people believed she has went off to johnny foxes pub when it was only one man (doorman) that said so….. and all along there was an obsessive ex in the background who has already been violent towards her, seems so wrong that he was not looked into more, only now 32 years later !!! well i hope to god if it was him , he pays for what he did and let his glory days be over………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Crakepottle?


    It has all the hallmarks of manslaughter. Man rejected by the woman he is obsessed with. He loses control, hits her, or pushes her violently. She falls and hits her head. At that point all you can say is "O what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive ". Will we ever know for sure? Probably not at this stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    I remember when the late banker Sean FitzPatrick was on trial, his defence picked up on a joking comment made on another Irish website, a poster claimed they themselves were on the jury. Now as it turns out he did get off…but it was nothing to do with comment, I think judge noted it and reminded social media websites of their responsibilities and confirmed post wasn't actually made by any jury member, and then things proceeded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    While was only one (mistaken but honest) sighting in the pub itself, there was a mistaken sighting in Enniskerry village and mistaken sighting on a bus whose route went ultimately to the same place, so that would have supported a theory that she got a bus to Enniskerry then met someone by chance and agreed to go with him to Johnny Foxes. But was always very unlikely theory considering logistics/timing. They weren't wrong to look into it, but wrong to put too much credence on it and refer to it so much in AGS and media briefings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    So they're not saying whether dog detected any scent. Possibly it did and they're focusing on spots dog alerted to but haven't found anything thus far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    I wonder why the Johnny Fox and bus girl(s) who looked like her never came forward to clear things up with AGS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭csirl


    I assume that there are multiple lines of enquiry to be followed up - with this being the one which has come into the public domain via the house search?

    I know locally people are fairly gobsmacked with the search - trying to work out how it would be even possible to bury remains in the garden of a busy household, with overlooking neighbours, without anyone noticing.

    There was always a feeling locally that the AMcC dissappearance was linked to a couple of the other Dublin area ones, but not the wider "Triangle" ones. A number of names, some in the public domain, some not, have been speculated on over the years. Never heard any suspicions over the household in question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Very simple. Nothing happened to the girl(s) in question so when these sightings were reported months after the event, the girl(s) had no reason to think these sightings referred to them.

    I have said it repeatedly here - the stupidest thing you will hear on TV crime dramas is "We've got an eye-witness! Case closed!". Honest but mistaken eye-witnesses are a leading source of miscarriages of justice. Almost every "Innocence Project" case involved someone mis-identifying the accused.

    In Annie McCarrick's case, these sightings were of the least reliable sort i.e. complete strangers, minimal interaction with the subject, vague descriptions, no corroboration from the crowds of other witnesses present, no reliable evidence that the subject was even in that location. Only desperation could explain the weight which the Garda put on these sightings and there is no excuse for their failure to follow-up on the violent ex-boyfriend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,869 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    That whole family probably had a "good" name in that area and probably deservedly so...the thought's of family members harming anyone wouldn't be expected and especially Annie's relationship with the family when she first arrived in Ireland alone to go to college...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭lillycakes2


    yes , i am completely flabbergasted that they went off on a wild goose chase around johnny foxes pub, when all the time there was an ex who had been violent to her ,and this was never really spoken of or it appears never investigated!!! saying she was part of a vanishing triangle etc when this violent ex who annie showed concern about was there becoming a millionaire in the background with the scent completely off him.it must have been nice for him that everyone was focused on the other crazy leads.How was he not a major suspect straight away !!!!!

    Annies family have been left 32 years with nothing and we the public have been left with a scum bag with a secret who is living life around us as a millionaire.

    obviously it is not proven he did it, but it seems fairly probable he may have. it is so maddening!!!! how it took 32 years to arrest him , ffs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Am I misremembering or was one of the sightings on the bus not by a woman who worked with Annie?



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