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Cork Airport - *Read Mod Note in First Post Before Posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭ihateboards


    Flying 5:45 am June 2nd. Parking booked out. Is there a risk of not being able to get long term parking if we arrive at 3.45? Are there any reliable alternatives for 7 days? Travelling from Clare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭ihateboards


    Spoke to the airport they said that we 'should be OK' just showing up, that while nothing was available to book things were 'holding steady'.

    Still interested in any backup option should there be an issue when we get there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Frostybrew




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭ihateboards


    Turns out there was plenty of spaces in the Red Express after 3 a.m., though a few cars parked on double yellow lines means there was a lack of spaces at some stage or people cutting it fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Noticed that Aer Lingus has finally removed AMS and EDI from the booking system, but they have kept FCO. No flights to Rome are loaded, but that’s definitely interesting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    Shannon are after getting Madrid and lapland for the winter with Ryanair. Wonder will they announce any new routes for Cork



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    I’d like to think we’ll get something. It looks like the 4th aircraft will be gone out of Cork in November and be moved to Shannon.

    Only on Sundays the 3 based a/c are being utilised. Hopefully they add more for Cork



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Unfortunately looks like Cork won’t be getting anything according to this article:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41645032.html

    “Asked if Ryanair will also seek to increase its fleet in Cork Airport, Mr McGuinness said: “I would hope so. We are very committed to regional Irish airports. We have three aircraft based in Cork this winter, but I would hope that could increase. I’m happy to talk to anyone of our 240 airports across Europe.” 

    “Both airports can grow and we can add more routes to both, but we have never been shy in saying that we allocate capacity wherever costs are best and where we can get the best long-term deals. If the DAA want to come up with something better in terms of its cost base for Cork, we’re very happy to talk to them.””



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭whispering1


    Was only talking to a friend this morning. She made the point that while Cork has loads of destinations for the summer, the Winter spots are limited. We were both hoping for something new.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    We were caught in Tenerife for over 2 hours going through passport control, along with passengers from the UK.

    We are not in Schengen so we have to go through passport control and be caught in those queues. I dont see a way around it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    The airport charges are just too high, especially in the winter season. I get the feeling that the Madrid route was supposed to go to Cork as it has been one of the most requested routes to return.

    DAA just shafted Cork now and gave that route to its biggest competitor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Are they really too high? Or is Shannon just rolling over for Ryanair? As they did post COVID, just to get them to start operating again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Irishavgeek101


    Shannon have a long term deal with Ryanair that was done after Covid. So they aren’t rolling over for them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭TheBetsy


    While Iberia would be far more the preferred operator for MAD, hard to see a Cork to Madrid route happening now in the near term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Irishavgeek101


    Ryanair only had 3 aircraft in Cork last winter aswell. So nothings being moved up to Shannon

    For now it’s just a seasonal 4th aircraft in Cork.

    If they lowered charges they could also have a permanent 4th aircraft and maybe more spots for the winter. ORK seem very focused on Summer season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Ryanair had to pay nothing to operate there after it was closed for several months. Not sure what the deal is there now, compared to Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Irishavgeek101


    Apparently SNN worked tirelessly with them to reopen the base and establish a long term deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Acosta


    I would think the other regional airport operators were not at all happy with Shannon, for the deal they gave Ryanair post COVID. As Ryanair would only come looking for the same off them. All the best to Shannon, but if Ryanair are still paying very little rates there, they can't be expecting the same at Cork. That would put the airport in a weak position when it comes to negotiating with other airlines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Irishavgeek101


    In all fairness they have to remain competitive.

    Ryanair have grown hugely at Cork aswell. It had a 3 and 4 aircraft before Shannon. Cork is doing so much better compared to Shannon. Sunexpress just launched at Cork too and other airlines are expanding. Even TUI with ORK CFU

    ORK have great expansion plans. Tara Finn seems to be doing great work enticing airlines to expand.

    ORK and SNN wouldn’t be seeing the growth they are getting without Ryanair.

    Who else would operate RHO, LRH etc from Cork? Aer Lingus are very slow to expand at Cork

    Also Knock and Kerry are seeing large Ryanair growth. So I definitely disagree with what you think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭yagan


    Any time I've gone Spain since brexit someone there usually asks if anyone has an Irish passport or passport card and we get sent to usual quiet manual booth while Brits get stuck in the machine readers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Acosta


    If routes are doing very well, it's reasonable to think another airline might operate it, if Ryanair reduced or dropped it. As we've seen with Paris and Amsterdam recently.

    If Shannon's charges for Ryanair is still a pittance, there's no way Cork should be lowering theirs to reflect that. One route to Madrid, that will probably only be there for a season or two anyway, is certainly not a reason to do it.

    Other than Ryanair, Shannon currently doesn't have any other airlines flying to Europe, other than one or two charters. I don't think Aer Lingus have any sun routes at the moment. Thankfully Cork isn't as reliant on Ryanair. And when your passenger numbers are shooting up, that's not the time to lower chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Irishavgeek101


    Ryanair praised Tara Finn for the deals she was doing for Cork.

    You Cork crowd are very optimistic :|

    Who knows SNN MAD could do very well. SNN BUD has lasted ages.

    Cork is still very heavy reliant on Ryanair though. No way would ORK be getting over 3M pax without them. No one else wanted to operate RHO, AHO, LRH or any route Ryanair do from Cork before. EI reduced the base aswell. Look at All the routes they have dropped from Cork before.

    Its not been sunshine or roses for either airport and people should be happy they are both growing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Ryanair is by far the biggest airline using Cork. But a lot of those routes would be taken up by another airline, if they were to stop operating. Destinations like Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh, La Rochelle, Gatwick, Barcelona, Alicante, Rome and Brussels have all previously been operated by other airlines. Possibly the current Polish flights too.

    EI, sadly, currently have little interest in Ireland outside of Dublin. They stopped routes like Paris and Amsterdam, that did very well. Hence other airlines stepping in to take the business. But still, Aer Lingus have added a couple of new city sun destinations at Cork this summer. As well as the others they already have operating. And apparently Lyon and Munich will be back in the winter.

    It's not as if I'm personally over the moon with the airports current offering of routes. For my own tastes, there's a big lack of all year round non sun holiday destinations. But at least there's the likes of Amsterdam and Paris, to transit though to elsewhere.

    As for being optimistic. The recent major infrastructure announcements, with the terminal and runway extensions, give some reason for that.

    I wish Shannon all the best. It's an airport I barely use, but always enjoy it when I do. But my original point was that there's no way Cork should or would lower their airline charges, to match Shannon's. Cork was never in the desperate position that Shannon was during COVID and didn't need to rely solely on Ryanair to get the terminal open again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Irishavgeek101


    A lot of airports relied on Ryanair to reopen? Kerry and Knock as well. They wouldn’t have re opened with out FR.
    Shannon definitely wasn’t desperate. It struck a great deal with Ryanair which has helped it grow. Its priority was to get 2019 traffic back after Covid.

    Cork struck a deal after Shannon and still managed to grow quicker. Airports are doing the best they can to get traffic. Striking a good deal isn’t desperate. It’s good also after the turbulent past Shannon and Ryanair had.

    I wish Cork all the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Frostybrew


    New Capital Development plan can be viewed here as part of the planning application for the car park extension. Taken from a post on Skyscraper City.

    https://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/2543908/0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Interesting that it’s mentioned that by 4.5mppa, EI should have an A321 service to New York up and running, when the airline has recently said that t/a travel out of Cork would be impossible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Frostybrew


    This gives an indication that the runway extension is very much a long term issue for the DAA (probably at least 10 years away).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Frostybrew




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭TheBetsy


    Noticed this aswell and immediately thought of the article where they said transatlantic wouldn't be operationally or commercially viable, although who knows what's been said or discussed behind closed doors



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