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Moderation of trans issue and terms

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I didn't mention a specific post. I mentioned a specific forum, Current Affairs.

    I also later explained later on, in this thread, that my request did not arise from any one thread, but from the cumulative affect of many threads.

    Would you like me to quote those posts for you? Oh here, I did it anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    If they haven't answered you yet I don't think they're going to, but the chest scars might be a bit of a clue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Which part are you supposedly offended about ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    There's a post mentioning 'trans identifying males' or 'biological males', probably that one



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Trans and homosexuals have mental illness. You posted, not me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    This article does not suggest gay people forget that they are gay.

    But it has been documented that trans people forget they are trans. Now given that we're told they were born in the wrong body, this seems to be a troubling development for the credibility of being born in the wrong body.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,289 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Wait now...

    In the first 2 words of this reply you state that it is patently untrue that you are attempting to filter discussion on trans issues - then you go on to say that that's exactly what you want through word filters and Mod enforcement.

    Then, when challenged for examples of allegedly offensive posts or the terms you are bothered by, you back away telling posters to do their own research - why? It's your thread and call for change. The onus is on you to explain and illustrate why change is needed. It surely shouldn't be hard to do if it's such an issue?

    I'm genuinely confused.

    I think it's as I said initially. You don't like what you're reading because you disagree personally with the positions being put forward by other posters and how they clash with your own views, and so are seeking to censor those other views through censorship under the guise of being kind or not "offensive" - but again without any evidence to support the idea that anyone is actually offended besides yourself.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    this whole thread is an exercise in feeling sorry for something that’s not happening while simultaneously attempting to censor words and phrases that some random people have deemed not ok to say.

    Oh but it’s not that it’s just a suggestion to the mods they can do what they think. Of course if you ask for an example of what words should be potentially filtered you’re a transphobe for having to ask.

    The whole thing was setup to cause an argument and make certain people feel good about themselves. White knighting at its finest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Yes, because it is patently untrue. I never said I wanted to "filter discussion". I never said discussion should be stopped.

    I asked to the Mods / Admin Team to moderate and suggested that maybe words and terms known to cause offence to the transgender community could be filtered as they already do with other words known to cause offence.

    That would not stop discussion. It would keep it respectful.

    "That means there is no discussion to be had anymore." was a quote taken from Nullzero's post that I was responding too.

    I've also already explained why I won't provide a list of offensive terms and have told others to research them for themselves - multiple times. Honestly, it's tedious when I have to keep repeating myself like this. I'm pretty sure I explained all of this to you already.

    Next time, just read the thread and maybe pay a bit closer attention and maybe you won't be so confused.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I did some research and I was only able to find a small list of words/phrases that offend trans people.

    One of these words happens to be cisgender. Apparently it offends a lot of people.

    I propose this word be added to the ban list.

    Outside of that word my research didn't pull up any other words that would make sense to filter out (for example male/female) without some significant contextual analysis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,289 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    You've just done it again!

    You don't want to filter or limit the discussion, but you do want words and terms known to cause offence to be filtered.

    What words? Who are they offensive to? Based on what? Where are the examples of this that prompted your original request/post in the first place?

    Saying it's tedious that you're being asked for these things (and not just by me) isn't an answer if you are expecting your suggestion to be considered I'd have thought? Indeed if it's such a big issue it should be very easy to provide multiple examples and reasons why the posts were offensive, no?

    But.... If indeed it is actually just the case that YOU are offended that's fair enough too, but I must refer back to my previous replies that that doesn't mean that these posts, words and terms (whatever they are) are necessarily ACTUALLY offensive either.

    It's a discussion forum. People are going to post things that others disagree with for whatever reason. Trying to limit or filter that because you don't like the content isn't going to change that - especially when it comes to topics like this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Moderation of trans issues and terms
    Personally speaking I think the mods need recalibrate their "transphobic radar detectors", for example, take the dismissal last year for stating the dictionary definition of woman (Adult HF), I don't think it helps to ban posters for stating a biological fact, and yet it was deemed so offensive and hurtful to the trans brigade that the penalty was a thread ban! This is the kind of recalibration I'm talking about, whereby posters can post biological, scientific (or dictionary facts) without fear of retaliation and cancellation. From my perspective the pro trans brigade have had it their way for far too long, backed up by sympathetic mods who have either been captured by the ideology? or instructed to go along with the trans ideology narrative. Not sure which?

    Anyway, here we are in the month of June and the "progress" flags are out and about around the country, reminding us just who's in charge, and who must be obeyed. Tricolours have been taken down while the Trans flags are hoisted high! and I wouldn't mind so much, but poor old St Patrick only gets one day with his shamrock ☘️ while the TQ+ Progress movement gets a whole month + of lauding it over us. Marvellous.
    Finally, can I just say that I don't think it right that a tiny but very VOCAL minority can force everybody to change their language and perception of reality, just to accommodate their ideological beliefs. So I would ask the mods to be balanced in their approach and not to be sucked into any delusional ideology. Robust discussion & arguments re Biology VS the Ideology, without personal insults . . .
    Thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    True. Posters should be allowed to call back people **** and gay people faggots. It's a discussion forum, posters should be allowed to post things others disagree with, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,818 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    This is why we can't have a reasonable discussion about anything.

    Literally nobody is saying anything like that.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    What are these terms that people are offended by? Cisgender is one. What are the others you are insinuating?

    You don't seem to have any issues just using the other terms as examples but haven't given us the ones that specifically offend trans people. Nor has the person who started the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,289 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    As you've edited your reply while I was responding to it above, I'll respond to this one as well.

    You again fail to provide any examples of the words or terms that are allegedly so offensive they should be filtered.

    Now you're resorting to frankly petty/childish "pay a bit closer attention" type responses (as you've done previously with your refusal to provide evidence or examples for your own case by telling others to look it up themselves when you're challenged/asked for same). You may feel you've scored a point with this response but really you're just highlighting how shaky your position actually is.

    That's fine. I understand better now and will thus stand by my opinion that this is an individual issue/complaint on your part rather than a wider issue, but I'll leave it to those in charge for final adjudication on the matter.

    All I'll suggest though - from my OWN opinion - is that making sweeping policy changes because someone just doesn't like what they are reading isn't a great move for a site built on the idea of discussing different topics and views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Really? Seems like posters want to post offensive terms. Don't see anything else being discussed. The point of the thread is whether offensive anti Trans terms should be allowed, and a lot of posters seem to think they should be.

    Is there some other point to the thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭SourSessions


    The equivalent to f****t would be t****y. No one is suggesting that's okay. The equivalent of 'trans identifying male' would be 'homosexual male'. Biological factual positions. That should be okay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,289 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I was going to respond to that but nullzero has nailed it above to be fair.

    All I'll add is that hysteria and strawmanning doesn't actually do what you think it does, nor is it clever or achieving that "so there" hit you think it is.

    It just undermines any actual point or argument you're trying to make.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Yes they have, I've been aware of them since the beginning of the thread. Perhaps you should go back and read it from the beginning?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    They haven't and they've very recently said that they haven't asking people to do their own research instead which I have.

    You seem well versed in derogatory terms but don't seem to want to list specifics in relation to this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Like I've said before, do you object to Boards using filters to obscure other known offensive terms? Like swear words, or the N word, or the C word? Does having those filters in place stop discussion?

    So stop with the nonsense. If I offered up a list of terms, many here would be just waiting to pounce on me for it, and I'm not going to give them the satisfaction.

    We're all adults here. If anyone is that uninformed on what constitutes transphobia and transphobic language, they're well able to inform themselves, instead of expecting me to do it for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Seriously? Go back to the beginning and read it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Hysteria? Where exactly?

    Assuming that posters should treat people with decency and respect is too much when it comes to trans people is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I am here from the begining of the thread. At no point has the OP given a list of words/phrases used in the forum that they deem to be transphobic and up for addition to the filter list despite being asked numerous times.

    I seem to be the only person on thread who has suggested adding cisgender to the banned words list as it is offensive to many according to my research.

    Continued attempts telling people to go back to the beginning and read again will continue to result in the same responses....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,289 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Once again - this is YOUR thread and YOUR call for action based on what YOU have seen posted in discussions on this topic.

    It's entirely reasonable to be asked for examples of what you're referring to and you probably should have expected that.

    Responding with, essentially, "you know what I mean", and then trying to score points (wasted on me incidentally) by inferring transphobia by anyone who doesn't just accept your argument (which you haven't actually made) doesn't help anyone or anything either nor does false equivalence to unrelated terms no one is using here.

    If this is such an issue, it should be very easy to back up YOUR OWN CALL to action with clear examples - if for no other reason than to help the Mods in the review you're asking for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    So you're saying you've not provided a list.....you've asked people to research for themselves....some people(myself for one) have done some research and found cisgender is offensive....I assume you'll be asking for this term to be added to the blocked word list....you will?...great....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




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