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Kneecap - New Footage *Read OP for Mod Warning*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,710 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Their legal advice will be to do exactly as I have said.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This will be a jury trial. MC and the band will want their moment in court. Starmer, his cabinet and the arms dealers they've given export licences to will come off very badly. The winners here are Kneecap and the people of Gaza.

    Starmer and his government are not on trial and will not be remotely relevant to evidence.

    This whole farce will accomplish the square root of **** all for the people of Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    MC is clearly a smart and articulate lad, as are the other two so no intellectual disability as you facetiously enquired.

    Have you still not read their statement of 28 April? If so where's the ambiguity?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    It will be one of the options advised to him, and may be the over-riding one, but if so it'll be discounted. He doesn't want a conviction, however minor.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    MC will put the focus on the Gaza genocide, the enablers of the Starmer government and their illegal granting of arms licences for F-16 parts (admitted in the High Court ten days ago). This will play both inside and outside the court. MC may seek a mistrial owing to the inability to receive a fair trial following the statements of Starmer, Badenoch, Robinson and others.

    Please don't be so naive about the legal process nor the adjunctive media trial. Starmer will be on public trial and he'll do very badly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Disagree.

    Already this "whole farce" has brought a massive amount of attention to the lads and by extension attention to the vile and sub-human behaviour of the Israeli government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    What have Kneecap done in the past to lead you to this assumption, or are you just projecting?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They will not be allowed put the focus on UK government actions regarding Israel or Gaza as it is not remotely relevant to their charge.

    Not a solitary soul is going to have their mind changed on the situation in the middle east by any of this. You are grossly overestimating the importance of any of this. Trial of the Century this is not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    There's a former teacher who worked in Mullingar who was jailed for repeated contempt of court. His supporters managed to convince a lot of people that his incarceration was about religion, free speech and transgenderism. He hasn't 1% of the support or the moral backbone possessed by Kneecap. I would suggest that this charge will be made all about the vile, inhumane torture in Gaza.

    It's not a question of changing minds. Anyone with an ounce of humanity in them is appalled by the actions of the Israeli government. It's a question of keeping it in people's conversations.

    A bit like this discussion!



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Probably worth remembering that that former teacher repeatedly loses in court however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    UKIP want to deport Kneecap from the UK to North Korea… the fact that Kneecap continue to annoy the loons is a good sign

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    They have already backed away from their support of Hamas and Hezbollah.

    As the Irish Independent put it -

    "If they back terrorism, they should say so honestly. That’s what others do, aware that the consequences involve stigmatisation, loss of earnings and possibly jail time. If they don’t back terrorism (and that’s what they say), then they should realise it’s not something to be joked about and that using it to provoke publicity as a marketing device is beyond demeaning to the cause they purport to cherish."

    Kneecap need to be clear about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,156 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    ”Obvious to me” …once I decided that they’re a band who will court controversy for the sake of increased audiences and fans - but that’s after taking numerous steps back and reflecting on just what they have been doing over the last number of years.
    As I said, the bar is very low here in terms of the legal threshold for a conviction-

    You don’t know me at all but let’s say you see me attending at a rock concert with a Hezbollah flag wrapped around me- would it be reasonable to assume I am a Hezbollah supporter?

    And if yes, then what about the chap actually performing at the concert wrapping said flag around him- if I’m not that familiar with the band wouldn’t I be forgiven for thinking he too was a Hezbollah supporter?

    It’s all down to context as the band have said - but yet haven’t provided any context - we’ll see what he says in court- but like it or not, the law is quite clear here- and if you’re tipping into or balancing on the edge of what is illegal, you MAY get punished for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Fair point!

    I wouldn't fancy Mo Chara's chances either if he looked to the Burke family for legal representation.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,704 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    you mean "what a loyalist irish independent journalists opinion piece" said.

    or you could just accept the lads statement themselves.

    Its good enough for the Taoiseach, who said

    “I would note that members of the band have been very clear in recent statements that they do not in any shape or form support Hezbollah or Hamas and they have issued statements to that effect.

    but obviously not good enough for the keyboard warriors in here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So you think they are in the ignorant idiots having a laugh category when they are waving the flags?



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,704 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    No seriously, you go around waving a terrorist flag, you post pictures of yourself reading a terrorist manual, and you expect people to accept that you are not a supporter of terrorism. There are only a few possibilities:

    (1) You are lying and you actually support terrorism.

    (2) You are ignorant of the material and were japing having a laugh and are therefore not serious about the issue.

    (3) You knew what the material was and thought it would be edgy and good publicity to be waving it and are therefore not serious about the issue. You are now trying to get away from that image.

    I cannot see any other interpretation of their behaviour. From what MM said, it appears to me that he thought they were in category 2.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,704 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I cannot see any other interpretation of their behaviour. From what MM said, it appears to me that he thought they were in category 2.

    perhaps this is your issue??

    If you cannot take the lads statement at face value then fine. We will see soon enough what the outcome of the court case will be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    I dont think it is possible to bring more attention to Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,156 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    The law on this is around forming a “reasonable” conclusion - statements post the act in question doesn’t mean that they won’t get prosecuted - it MAY mean that they won’t be found guilty - but that’s not at all certain - if it is found that a “reasonable” opinion could be formed that they are Hezbollah supporters based on the evidence provided in court, that unfortunately, is how he may be found guilty- to repeat I don’t see the sense in this prosecution - I see the band as a money making outfit personally - but “perceptions” are at the heart of this prosecution and that’s because the bar is set very low in proving terrorist support



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Which statements are supposed to be taken at face value though? The carefully crafted PR statement or the casual statements given at concerts and in instagram posts?

    For what its worth I think they are just irritating edgelords, the charges are way over the top and I'm willing to take their PR statement as the truth. But it makes their whole shtick ring a bit hollow and just shows them for how immature they are. Not a crime, but not people worth paying any attention to either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That is the point. The lads' statement is incomplete.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,704 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    the statement id take at face value is the one which is obviously sat down, considered and complied….. and not one in which is surmised due to the adrenaline filled actions at the end of a raucous concert.

    as immature and irritating as they are (and im not claiming theyre not) they are one of the VERY few artists out there brave enough to put their head above the parapet and speak out against the genocide and war crimes being enacted by the Israeli war council and the IDF in Palestine. And i for one applaud them for that.

    The fact that this whole incident is predicated on an incident in the USA which causes "someone" (uk gov) to trawl back through concert footage to find a few seconds at the end of a gig where MC picks up a flag thrown on stage and he put its over his shoulders should be sending loud alarm bells that this is simply political policing because KC have called out the UK gov for their support of Israel in these genocidal times.

    and to be honest, i can absolutely understand how a young man from the catholic area of Belfast can feel a strong affinity with the people of Palestine in their struggle against the Israeli occupying forces, and be vocal about that affinity when it appears his government is too cowardly / complicit to speak out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    That's all that'll be reported from the courtroom and on the steps of the court. All with the compliance of the global media and the likes of yerself continuing to comment here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Burke's charges of contempt are unambiguous, and indefensible.

    Proving that MC is a member or supporter of Hezbollah thhough. Much shakier ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    They're also too dumb to realise that it's not possible to deport a non-foreign citizen from the UK. The usual standard of stupidity from these people.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Which statement though, th y appear to have made a few contradictory statements



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    To claim that the Irish Independent said this is utterly false. It would need to be an editorial for it to be the view of the newspaper.

    It is instead an opinion piece in the paper, the view of one person, the Belfast Loyalist Sam McBride. As pointed out previously it's an unparalleled shock that such a scribe is at odds with the lads from West Belfast. 😁😁



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