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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I'm hoping they will put in poles/bollards, to stop the cars now treating the cycle lane as the left turn lane. They definitely should change the light sequence. If it stays as is, and cars are properly restrictd to their single line then the prior junction will get backed up with cars turning onto Ranelagh road Northbound (1 car going straight ahead would effectively block all the other cars behind, which would very quickly fill the short enough section of road between the 2 junctions)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,709 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Should this go under "Infrastructure that will never happen" Just like the Dublin underground?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I'm surprised they're not calling for it to be placed underground..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,709 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I think most of us posting up on boards now will be underground before a Dublin metro is…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,219 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    they're calling for it to be built on the proposed flood defences, which is basically another way of saying "after we're all dead"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭khamilton


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭Fian


    At around 9:40 they talk about a cycle street - seems to be a shared cycle/car/pedestrian lane? I guess with very low speed limits.

    I have never seen one of those before, anyone with experience of how they operate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭cletus


    How it's supposed to work is that cyclists have priority, cars can drive there people can drive cars there (don't want anyone attacking me about self driving cars 😀), but they must do so while giving priority to cyclists (low speed limits, no overtaking etc.)

    How they'll actually work here, who knows. Big problem will be if they don't do some sort of public information campaign explaining how it works, because then it'll just be treated as another road by drivers.

    Here's a longer explanation. I'm not sure if there's any legal backing to bicycle streets in Ireland.

    I do know of two roads close to me where there are large bicycle signs painted onto the centre of the road, or at least the centre of both lanes. This, to me, suggests a bicycle street, but I don't know what actual enforceable difference it makes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭khamilton


    It's a cul-de-sac that gives strong visual priority to cyclists. The only vehicles on the road will be accessing the houses, and since it's a cul-de-sac, no through-traffic. Plenty of research on how visual design can reduce motorists' speed so hopefully this will work!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    Re bicycle signs painted onto the centre of the road: Newtown Avenue and Rock Hill in Blackrock have this (regular bike symbols, not the type depicetd at 13:28 and 15:47 in the video), though I assumed it was just to inform drivers that with-flow cyclists are expected to be on the main one-way carriageway here as the respective cycle lanes are contraflow-only. (2-way cycle-lane-less Idrone Terrace also had the symblols on both sides, for whatever reason)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Dundrum main street has bicycle symbols in the middle of the road I guess for the same reason given for Blackrock above: cyclists are to be expected on the road when they're not going contraflow, when they'd be in the bikelane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭Michelin


    too many obstacles, hazards, in/out, for me. there is no flow to these designs. Car is still king here, look at the car lane flowing nicely but cyclists have to deal with all sorts of stuff. If councils want a modal shift need to make cycling the priority mode of transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    Ha, that description would have made a good addition to the feedback I sent. I used the phrase [cyclists are being] "put back in their box" a couple of times. I emphasised that if the traffic light timings were to disadvantage cyclists using these paths compared to using the road they/we won't use them. I brought up the example of cycling south through the Temple Hill junction in Blackrock Dublin as a example of an egregoious prioritisation of (left turning in this case) vehicles. Having said this, I realise it's not easy to design something that gets it right for pdestrians, cyclists et al. and motorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Just re-upping this. I've been going through this redesigned junction most mornings for months and it's just not working for me. Basically, once one driver turns left, it starts a chain of follow the leader, with not one of the left-turning drivers paying the slightest attention to the cyclists in the lane to their left. Having priority (assuming cyclists do) isn't much use if drivers just swing blithely through.

    Running the light on the green man part of the cycle seems to be the solution for most people, but I'm not going to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,334 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Yeah it is, just copy the system in places that do it properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,309 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    South bound is even worse tbh. There's an exclusive left turn lane and a straight ahead lane with the cycle lane on the left of the left turn lane. Only safe way through the junction is to illegally go with the pedestrian light rather than wait for the light for cars to go green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, I know exactly the junction you mean. All the same, personally I'm not having as much trouble with that junction. For example, I'm not actively contemplating finding a new route going south, but I'm definitely starting to think that I probably need to find another route going north, before the seemingly inevitable happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Enduro


    It's on my work commute, so I use it a lot.

    Overall, I've found it to be a huge improvement, particularly heading North. Getting rid of the parking/loading there has been a big improvement. I'm quite surprised at how well the new track north of the Triangle works in practice as well. I was initially sceptical about that.

    On the northbound approach to the Triangle, I've had no significant issues so far. With the barriers in, the motor traffic quickly adjusted to the new reality of this section being single-lane. It's 50-50 for me on whether I reach the triangle with the lights green or red (red because of the pedestrian crossing generally).

    If it's red, then no issues. I'll be positioned slightly ahead of the front vehicle in the queue, and I'm usually through the junction before they start moving (Judging from hearing).

    If it's green, then I'll watch the motor queue like a hawk for indicators. If I'm close to the junction and the queue is indicating left, then I'll move out of the cycle lane and position myself behind one of the left turners so there's no ambiguity, they're clear to turn, and I'm not going to attempt to filter. If they're moving slowly then I'll just pass them on the right (if I don't have to move into oncoming traffic), and then return to the cycle lane after the left turn. So far, this has worked without issues most of the time.

    Of course, the danger is the "special" numpties who don't think indicators are needed. It's only happened once or twice, and each time they've ended up stopping because I'm already crossing the junction. So far, everyone has just carried on from there without issue or aggro (myself included). If in the future I do get any issues, then I'll happily stop to explain how I would have behaved if they'd actually used their indicators, mainly just to ensure that their time penalty for not bothering to use their indicators is increased even more.

    On the south direction, I've yet to have an issue, despite the obvious potential for it to arise. But there again, if the light was green and there was a left-turning motor vehicle approaching the junction, I'd get in behind them. I think I've only had to do that once or twice. The biggest issue southbound remains the feckin trcuks using the cycle lane as a loading bay at Supervalue…no change there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, if I get there (north-bound) and the light is red, it's fine. It's arriving there when the car lane is already flowing is my problem. I have limited ability to get out of the cycle track most days, because I'm on cargo bike most days. I might just start going left around the corner and cross as a pedestrian or something like that, if I arrive when the light is already green for northbound traffic. I just am not manoeuvrable enough to cope with the blithe, jesus-take-the-wheel left-turning traffic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,900 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I haven't been through Ranelagh for yonks, but gave it a shot this morning. I didn't have any issues with left hooks, as it happens. I just had the usual selection of cycle lane blockers, taxis pulling into disabled parking bays, bus lane blockers AND the exceptionally obnoxious SAP Landscaping driver who managed to block ALL lanes of a key junction in and out of the city for a full traffic light cycle in rush hour with his van AND trailer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, you really should treat that junction as a yellow box if you're hauling a long trailer like that at rush hour!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Grassy Knoll


    slightly off topic - I want to introduce manhole lids - anyone ever get a ‘wobble, or worse cycling over them in wet weather, particularly when the traffic has worn down the gripping threads on the roadside surface of the lid. Effectively the bike wheel is travelling over a smooth surface.

    The council should either replace the manhole lid, or as I have seen (once near the Leeson St gate to st Stephen’s green) apply tar and chippings to the roadside side of the lid to give some grip for cyclists. Any views on what is a safety issue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,131 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Be thankfull that there is a lid. I cycled into a small square lidless manhole hidden by leaves recently. I'm still reeling from it. I wish all manholes were located out of the cycle lanes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,900 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This were much improved on the way home - just a Sysco van, a taxi and an SUV blocking the cycle lane, and a builder's jeep blocking the footpath and cycle lane.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,900 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    If I recall, I counted I think 12 or 14 manhole lids on the brand new fairly short cycle lane that was built under the Luas bridge at Leopardstown Road in recent years. You'd think that with a new facility, they'd find a way to minimise this danger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    The worst thing is the with-travel-direction inside edge of a square cover - I recall almost coming off a couple of times when I carelessly had my tyre brush against those



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,448 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I was taught that there is an "implied yellow box" years ago, is this not a thing anymore?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, I treat every big junction like that as a yellow box, but don't know the legalities.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,448 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I think my father called it an "implied yellow box" but the legality was around blocking junctions. Personally, not sure on the legality either, I just took both his word and the general Will Wheaton rule.



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