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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Poor refereeing from a neutral perspective. Mayo had a 2 pointer count as one and it clearly was past the cross bar before goal keeper punched it. And the kick out that was taken inside the 21 yard line should have been a free in front of goal which would be a guaranteed point instead of free at the arc. It is only a free at the arc if it is taken inside the arc. Trying to get used of these rules myself playing the game at club level with only one ref, then you see such horrendous decisions being made in a provincial final with any amount of linesmen’s 4 th officials and umpires etc, makes me wonder does anyone know these rules at all. These rules need some serious rethinking - from a players, refs and fans point of view. Rules are black and white, there is way to much grey being introduced, club level so far has been a joke how can one official reffing a league match try and control all this - so frustrating as a player



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Proud of the fight shown but frustrated with some poor decision making. Think we need to find a new goalkeeper and it's not just based on today. Fought back to get level with Galway and we were starting to win ball from long kickouts with the wind behind us.

    Towey not up to this level. Not athletic or strong enough to win hard ball but finishing was supposed to be trump card. Strong wind behind him and a dry ball but fluffed every chance.

    Subs bench is weak but we could have won that with better decisions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Joe brolly is right about us, no character as a group to tolerate not losing finals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Disappointing to lose that, we were in the driving seat with 20 to go and couldn't close it out against a team missing their 2 best forwards. Black card incident was a big momentum killer. Subs added nothing; I presume Paddy wasn't fit enough to come on, not sure why he was on the bench if that was the case

    So we now have Cavan (h), Tyrone (a) and Donegal / Armagh at a neutral venue. Hard to be massively optimistic tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭mjp


    Hard to put it on the ref to call the 2 pointers being touched behind the line from where he standing. It's first time it's happened in big championship game so will be something umpires will have to be clued in on going forward. On the free at the arc Aidan o shea was more than happy to take it on from there for the 2 pointers rather than the easy one pointer in front of posts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Sebastian Dangerfield


    It's such a stupid rule that you reward a long distance kick with 2 points, but reduce it if an opposition player gets a fingertip to it (let alone that happening if the ball is already behind the posts). They got a lot right with the rule changes but this one is an example of trying to be too clever in my opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I agree completely. They were talking nonsense on the Sunday game about getting extra technology or improving umpire training to judge the position where ball is touched but all that needs to be done is give 2 points whether the goalkeeper touches it or not. Problem solved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Exactly, its a completely differnet situation than if a forward punches it over the bar. Or just get rid of the 2 pointer for frees imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yes either way is fine. The main thing is to reward long range points from open play. But it's a bit silly giving 2 points for a free just outside the D but only 1 point for a longer distance 45.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Didn’t deserve to win. Same failings in terms of poor attacking play and bad wides.

    I very much think the back card though was incredibly harsh. It was in no way a deliberate pull down. More like a tangling of legs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Gerianam


    On the contrary, we did deserve to win. Referring errors did not favour us yesterday. We were the better team for much of the game, down to fourteen men at a crucial point and only a kick of the ball between us and a highly favoured Galway team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,650 ✭✭✭✭km79


    if we deserved to win we would have won.

    We didn’t as we keep making the same mistakes on and off the pitch .
    Including putting players on the pitch who have shown they are just not good enough time and time again but hoping this time it will be different .
    PJ subbed a sub yesterday

    We left Towey on to kick a few more wides .
    that’s the difference

    Mentality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,650 ✭✭✭✭km79


    One simple question tells us all we need to know about where we are 3 years into McStays reign and where we are going .

    What is our kickout strategy?


    Junior B teams have one

    We don’t



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    it was a carbon copy of what happened in the Kerry Clare match, the 2 pointer should not have been an option it should have been in front of the goal. These rules are a **** disaster, just keep the 3 up and the long kick outs, that’s what’s creating the space as it is all bunched to win breaks and who ever wins them has open road to get quick ball in. The other rules are just not feasible esp for club level



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Agree 100%

    Kickouts are huge with the new rules, without a dominant midfielder we need to work harder than most on that aspect of our game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭ethical


    This might sound harsh but the game could easily have been dubbed :'a tale of two 'keepers'….and we know which one came out on top. ( The Galway 'keeper kicked longer and more accurately and made a decent save or two in the process while the Mayo lad was indecisive …and probably even more so when he had the wind,awful mistake gifting Galway a point and incurring a black card for the defender in the process.)

    Mayo had the winning of it definitely but PJ was busy on the sidelines and the subbing on of Peter Cooke gave a great lift to Galway and probably got them over the line.

    Our boyos, on the line, could have put P.Durcan on and he would,no doubt,have lifted us and brought us the Connacht title.

    At the end of the day the only ones getting paid are the management and unfortunately they didn't turn up yesterday as far as Mayo were concerned. Some people around me at the game questioned as to whether either manager wanted to win the match with a view to the grouping for the round robin series. The GAA made the same fcuk up last year…think they'd learn by their mistakes,not a hope,arrogant bunch of so and sos.Excuses about logistics etc….for God's sake the GAA own all the stadia and could work off any timetable they want to ,its not that they have to wait for Leinster rugby or some soccer ground to be available for the series of round robin fixtures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Paddie was togged and about to come in when the black card happened. Plans changed then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Really? That's odd, no matter what the plan is, if Paddy is available he's part of the plan IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Not saying I fully understand it myself but that's what happened, I was sat behind the dugout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,014 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Its probably more about hotels, busses, Garda and Volunteer logistics and the likes morso than the stadium/ground availability.

    Although it's generally just about squeezing more games into a relatively tight schedulem



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Simple as that! We were not the better team on the day.

    I was disappointed with the last play that Ryan was not stepping up to take on the 2 pointer! All I kept thinking of was if Cillian was there he would be demanding the ball!

    Post edited by muddle84 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,695 ✭✭✭✭Cartman78


    Yep...he got the ball a couple of times and recycled it back.

    Both times with his back to goal 😞

    Surely they've worked on this exact scenario in training???

    He should be waiting in the pocket for an opening.....not passing to the likes of Ruane to shank it 5 yards wide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭spakman


    COMPOSURE.

    We are badly lacking in it, and will continue to lose tight games until we manage to remain composed and know what we're trying to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭crusd


    Ryan was completely gassed and likely recognised himself that he wouldn't have had the range. I left the ground raging at him for not stepping up and instead standing deep but watching back you can see clearly he had nothing left. The amount of work he putting in during the first half was unreal. He should always have been in the 3 up but on most Galway attacks he was one on those tracking back which should not have been the case. It was likely Galways plan for his man to go forward pulling Ryan all over the pitch and Mayo's plan should have been for Ryan to leave someone else go with McGrath. Very quickly you would have seen Galway abandon the strategy if Ryan was left up top with someone other than McGrath marking him. One of the consequences of this was on Conroys second two pointer Ryan was actually the closest defender. It was only after Conroy already had 3 two pointers, 1 from a free, that Coen went man for man on him, after which he only scored one point. How this was not the plan for Conroy from the start McStay only knows!!

    Again on the last play for the two pointer you can see we had no plan to get a man in space, like we never considered that a scenario for a last minute two pointer would even be on the cards, but Galway had a clear plan to defend it. They overloaded the left side and centre and left space on the right where Mattie ultimately shot from. They were ok with us getting a shot from there as they know it was an extremely low percentage option for our shooters. This is why Paddy needed to be on by that stage. While right footed, that zone is where he has consistently scored from for years. Even if lack of match practice and fitness might have meant he may not have been able to deliver, Galway would known that he was an option to be covered and potentially opened up something for Boland or Mattie in a better position.

    With all that said and done, I was pleasantly surprised with how close we got in the end as expected them to win relatively easily, however we actually left it behind us with our shooting and gameplan. Why we waited until we were 8 points down to start playing directly is beyond me. Then when we caught up we once again we abandoned the direct strong running style that got us back in to it. The decision to remove both Neary and McHale was baffling. While they weren't perfect, that gave the Galway defence something to think about. At least one of them should have remained on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,635 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Looked to me that they had worked on it, but what they had worked on wasn't very effective. RO'D was sitting back and then trying to pop up to get a shot away, think he made a couple of bursts but Galway had it covered.

    I've no doubt they're working on things like this, it just doesn't seem that the work is of much use.

    Not that I think Galway played particularly well (and lets not forget they were missing two key forwards for them), but their movement was just better. Simple things like the player carrying the ball offloading it and getting in the way of the defender while buying their teammate a second or two to get a shot away. It's not massively difficult but there's no sign of that kind of movement/cuteness in our attack.

    McDaid really stood up for them when the pressure came on.

    The main positive I took away from Sunday.… I've never seen the pitch looking as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Why we waited until we were 8 points down to start playing directly is beyond me.

    The wind was a huge factor in that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭crusd


    There is direct kicking and direct running. Direct running got the goal but retreated into our shell after that. I'd say Davitt Neary got into trouble for not recycling the ball out to the 45 and instead turning and taking on the defender



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭muddle84


    I thought thats why they must have taken him off because he was playing too directly!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭Barlett


    I thought Mayo played fairly well to be honest - I just saw the photo of the two pointer there, miles across the bar. I felt the referee was lenient enough towards us in the game, but I think things like that evened it out. Instead of going a point up we ended up level. Massively important



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭ethical


    Its a great pity that the naturally talented are being 'discarded' . Young Neary was brilliant and direct….in a few years it will be knocked out of him!

    A few years ago D.O'C was the same! Move forwarded a few years and,as was said here previously,when certain Mayo players got to the arc,they recycled.Neary preferred the direct route.

    A reference from their training from a person on the inside is that,'they get a bollocking' if they try something 50/50… (I'd have more praise for a lad that took something on and failed rather than not try at all!!!,) they are asked to be cautious,break this 'rule ' and suffer the consequences….it would seem! Would Kerry tell D.Clifford to do this.Would Armagh tell Riain O'Neill do same,and would Tyrone tell the Canavans to be overly cautious and what of the Dubs with Con O'Callaghan and there are others?

    Too much science and not enough given to the raw heart and courage effort.Yes science has its part to play but not to the determent of a players 'heart'.How many games would Kerry be defeated in if Paidí Clifford's sheer effort and heart did not break down teams for them?



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