Mayo GAA Discussion

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422316#Comment_123422316

It is one of the consequences of these new rules that players are being coached not to go for the 50/50 shooting chances. Under the old rules missing as long as the ball went dead wasn`t a major problem. With the new rules, especially with the three up at all times and the change to the kick out rules, quick kick-outs are going to midfield. If you haven`t a stronger mid-field than your oppostion then you are quickly under pressure.

Galway have recognised that and have giants around mid-field that allows them to go for those two pointers, without being overly concerned on the resulting kick-outs, even if they do not come off. For me, Peter Cooke with his height coming in as a sub for Galway went a long to Galway holding on and winning.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422708#Comment_123422708

My understanding has always been that the crossbar determines where the goal line is drawn. If the crossbar is between the two uprights then so is the goal line. If the crossbar is outside the uprights then the goal line is as well. On my own club pitch the crossbar is outside the uprights and the goal line has always been outside with that never being a problem with refs or umpires on that.

It seem logical to me, but maybe the rule has changed and crossbars now must be between thhe uprights. If it has then it has done so since 1992. In the Connacht final that year in Caslebar between Mayo and Roscommon as far as I recall from being there, the crossbar that Gavin of Roscommon broke was fixed outside the uprights as was the replacement.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123423264#Comment_123423264

I hadnt considered the scenario of where the crossbar is outside the uprights.

So it seems a goal is defined by being both over the goal line and under the crossbar so in the scenario you laid out where the cross bar is out side the uprights it would only be a goal once it crosses the goal line, whereas a point is defined as over the cross bar so you could have a scenario where a ball hasn't fully crossed the goal line but has crossed the crossbar resulting in a point

https://learning.gaa.ie/sites/default/files/2016%20Official%20Guide%20-%20Part%202.pdf

It also seems in the infamous crossbar incident at McHale park in 1992 the ref could technically have continued without a crossbar and used his own judgement instead of waiting for a replacement.

Westernview

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123424682#Comment_123424682

I think the ref did continue to award the point on that occasion. Anthony Finnerty the scorer if I remember. But the new crossbar was needed in place before the kickout could be taken.

Panrich

Selection is a bit of a head scratcher for me. Brickendon was discarded for most of the league and is parachuted back for a Connacht final. Now I can see the logic in that he is a big lad but he should have been given a run against Leitrim or Sligo.

Frank Irwin did well in the league showing he was well able to take a score and win 50/50 ball. He has not figured in a starting line-up since the league final. Fenton Kelly surely was not a better option in the circumstances on Sunday.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123424682#Comment_123424682

That would be my understanding on it as well if the goal line is between the two uprights while the crossbar is on the outside of the uprights. It`s why, similar to my own club, it has always made locical sense to me that when the crossbar is outside of the uprights then the goal line must be as well.

I often wondered what would have happened that day in 92 in Castlebar if the broken crossbar could not have been repaired or replaced as Idoubt there are many grounds that have replacement crossbars lying around. Crazy to even imagine now if that Connacht final had continued without one that it would have been at the refs discretion as to what would have been judges as a point and what would have been judged a goal.

irishgeo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123425446#Comment_123425446

I think it's only for the score the damaged crossbar is missing not continuing on without it.

Westernview

I still have a piece of the crossbar somewhere in my parents place. It was thrown behind the goal when we went out on the field afterwards. I broke off a piece of it and it was on proud display on the mantlepiece for about 2 years afterwards. Don't think I'd have had it there if Mayo lost though.

Cartman78

I was at that game in 92....no souvenir shard of the holy crossbar for me though 😂

I can't recall the match at all, but I do remember it took absolute ages for them to replace it

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123426354#Comment_123426354

I was at that Connacht Final, and Gay Sheerin the Roscommon keeper saved a goal attempt from Anthony Finnerty where the ball then bounced off the top of the ctossbar and over. It was over the bar before Enon Gavin jumped up, grabbed the crossbar breaking it. There was never any question of the point not being a score.

The gamewas stopped until the crossbar was repaired. I had always wondered what would have happened if they could not have repaired the crossbar and @crusd told me that according to the rules the game would have continued without a crossbar, and it would have been the referees call as to what was a point from then on.

blowitupref

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123427106#Comment_123427106

Another story on that broken crossbar

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/the-real-reason-the-crossbar-snapped-in-the-1992-connacht-final-323538

Westernview

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123427216#Comment_123427216

That's gas. Didn't know that story. It was really a thing back then to see goalies hanging off the crossbar briefly when a point went over. Surprising they didn't break more often. Wonder has that habit been outlawed now in the rulebook.

Seems crazy that a game in modern times could continue with no crossbar. Can't be the case.

Eugene Lavin fairly tested the crossbar at the other end in 1991. (1m 45s in video)

https://youtu.be/UsfGI4ThODc?si=BT8GjoWRvKtOUY0f

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123427216#Comment_123427216

Looking at the photo in that article, I thought minors had gone from U18 to U17, not U35 to U17

km79

Imagine Mayo trying to mind the ball like that
Or reape trying to get a kickout away at any stage during ET

MacDanger

Just looking at the fixtures, Tyrone away to Donegal and then a 1 week turnaround to their home match against us. Seems a tad unfair on them and gives us a slightly better chance in Omagh

Coillte_Bhoy

Any thoughs on where the Donegal game might be? Sligo is out anyway

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123437198#Comment_123437198

The Hyde or Breffni?

irishgeo

Why is sligo out?

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123437609#Comment_123437609

Major work on the pitch being carried out

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123437198#Comment_123437198

Most likely Roscommon I'd say…

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123437201#Comment_123437201

Probably Hyde Park but it`s a Connacht provincial venue as far as I know so that might be a problem.

It would not surprise me if headquarters try to put it in Croke Park as a double header with Galway and Armagh who, again as far as I know, have their neutral venue game that weekend as well.

eastie17

prob croker, but unless we have won the previous two matches handy, can’t see much of a mayo crowd travelling

muddle84

We had the Hyde for our neutral against Dublin last year so my money would be on that!

km79

I got the 3 game pass as it’s basically worked out the same as getting for the Cavan and Donegal games on their own

Now I’m fecking convinced I’ve saved myself 50 euro so might go to Tyrone game if it’s on the Sunday and stay up

Is enniskillen the best bet? Would like to stay somewhere that there might be a few more mayos staying

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123441211#Comment_123441211

Enniskillen is in Fermanagh and is about 30 miles from Healy Park in Omagh so you might be better looking to stay in Omagh. Enniskillen would be handy for coming back the following day via Sligo, but it is a 50/50 town and you would have more chance of finding decent GAA pubs in Omagh. Blake`s of The Hollow and Charlie`s Bar, both on Church St Enniskillen, are good pubs but they always struck me as more traditional music pubs than GAA.

The Supporter

Could complacency be a factor in game against Cavan,they are a division two team,they won four games in their division. Mayo were complacent last month against a division three team namely Sligo and had only three points to spare at full time. Mayo are always vulnerable after been beaten in Connacht. Serious criticism of Mayo in Pat Spillane article in Irish Independent,sadly which is hard to disagree with.

eastie17

mayo were getting serious criticism from that buck when we were inches from beating the best team there’s ever been so I wouldn’t pay much heed to sweaty Pat

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123442299#Comment_123442299

If you're listening to Spillane about serious football talk you'd need to have a word with yourself.

A great footballer in a different time a couple of generations ago, a sound fella to have a pint with,a good man on the after dinner circuit......knows fook all about Football in 2025.

Sin è

MacDanger

U20 team to play Louth this evening:

Mayo U20 Football Team is as Follows:

David Dolan Balla

Rio Mortimer Claremorris

Paul Gilmore Claremorris

Yousif Coghill Breaffy

Hugh O’Loughlin Kilmaine

John MacMonagle Castlebar Mitchels

Colm McHale Moy Davitts

Diarmuid Duffy Ballinrobe

Seamus Howard Béal an Mhuirthead

Oisin Cronin Balla

Cathal Keaveney Parke Keelogues Crimlin

Colm Lynch Parke Keelogues Crimlin

Darragh Bernie Claremorris

Niall Hurley Claremorris

Tom Lydon The Neale

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454168#Comment_123454168

A strong team named and as we know these lads are a serious bunch.

Apparently the Louth team are very formidable, as always with underage football it's hard to know how good teams in other provinces are.

Hoping for a Mayo win and a day out at a final.