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Conor McGregor Megathread *Mod Warning in OP Updated 20th April*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,516 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So pretty much these two people can lie about what they saw, and very difficult to prove it a lie.. but.. at same time they are very unlikely to be able to prove what they’re alleging they witnessed; and Ms. Hand can deny what they’re alleging they saw, and it also being very difficult to prove Ms Hand wrong! Kind of a stalemate. Pointless?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    I didn't think new evidence could be introduced at an appeal.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,778 ✭✭✭threeball


    I'm sure it explains the internal bruising too.

    These two should have their claim thoroughly investigated and when disproven they should be charged with trying to pervert the course of justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    I wonder if this is the same Steven Cummins. Seems like a stand up guy if it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,778 ✭✭✭threeball




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,372 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Apparently their bedroom doesn’t face the house- it’s their child’s bedroom that faces their house according to Hand.

    Ms Hand is admitting now that she did have an argument with her partner(not sure this was mentioned at the trial?) - it’s an important point in fairness and the partner did leave the house that night in his car - was any of this covered in the trial? I don’t recall that it was. I remember the phone recording of the conversation by the partner , which in itself, now becomes a much more significant piece of evidence for different reasons if a new trial happened

    - the argument Hand says was downstairs not upstairs and no violence took place - so has the argument been made out to be something more than it was by the eyewitness? 2+2=5?

    Or is this new account an accurate reflection of what happened?

    The fact that this new “eyewitness” admits that she didn’t actually see Ms Hand hit as “she was on the ground” and hence has interpreted her partners actions from across the street is certainly not a definitive account of what may have occurred

    The timing of it is also absurd - if they feel so compelled to speak out now, why didn’t they come forward earlier?

    Will be interesting to see if these witnesses are allowed to be cross examined in terms of reaching a decision on the appeal

    “In her affidavit, Ms Hand said she and Mr Redmond had “a verbal argument” downstairs when she returned home that night, a recording of which was heard by the jury.“We never went upstairs while the argument was going on, as our daughter was sleeping upstairs and we didn’t want to wake her,” she said.“The volume of the argument was not so loud that it could conceivably be heard in Samantha and Steven’s house across the road.”Ms Hand said she went upstairs to check on her daughter only after Mr Redmond left the house.She denied a claim by Ms O’Reilly that she came out of her house in a distraught state or that she spoke to Ms O’Reilly on the street.“I did not come out of the house screaming after Ste left, and I did not see or interact with Samantha on the night. I had no conversation with Sam­antha or Steven about the night at any stage,” she said.”

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-dont-know-why-they-are-making-up-these-lies-nikita-hand-hits-back-at-suggestion-she-was-assaulted-by-former-partner/a1436016791.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I wonder if the bank accounts of those neighbours have swelled a bit all of a sudden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,778 ✭✭✭threeball


    It'd be all cash unless they're all incredibly thick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It literally says in the piece you quoted that the argument was heard by the jury. There is nothing new in the fact they had an argument.

    This new evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It simply isn't credible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,372 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Ah so the “recording” is the “argument”?

    That changes things - this new “evidence” needs serious scrutiny - it should be easy to determine truth and validity


    “In her affidavit, Ms Hand said she and Mr Redmond had “a verbal argument” downstairs when she returned home that night, a recording of which was heard by the jury.“We never went upstairs while the argument was going on, as our daughter was sleeping upstairs and we didn’t want to wake her,” she said.“



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    It doesn't deserve serious scrutiny. It deserves to be dismissed and laughed at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Joe1919


    'Motive and opportunity' I cant see what McGregor's motive was in beating up Hand but I can certainly see that her ex partner could be in a jealous rage at her. I think this tips the balance of probabilities and McGregor is innocent in this case.

    Follow the motives (and money). Everyone is a winner by blaming McGregor, except of course McGregor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,476 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    You can't see what his motive in raping her is?

    Perhaps it is the same motive as his other alleged rape case in Florida?

    What motive do you think these 2 concerned neighbours coming forward with "fresh evidence" after this amount of time have?

    Do you think their motives are noble since they didn't bother intervene on the night or share information with the investigation in the days and weeks afterwards or even while the high profile trial was underway?

    But yeah, blame the victim. Obviously, on the balance of probabilities, her returning home in a distraught state and having a disagreement with her partner means McGregor is an angel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭francois


    the Venn diagram between incels and McGregor simps is almost a circle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Very difficult to actually use large amounts of cash, particularly if people are keeping an eye on you.

    Crypto would be a more obvious choice for someone keen to hide a large transfer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,516 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    not near as eazy to disguise and use cash these days compared to years ago. All eyes on them as well. CAB!!!!



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