Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

Pretty sure someone like Elon 'empathy is a weakness' Musk would be only too happy to see social security be decimated and a lot of 'useless eaters' perish along with it. In his view, human life only has as much value as its productivity.

Trumps meddling? He repeatedly called for the end of Canada as a nation and threatened them with Tariffs if they didn't comply with his wishes.

That is not meddling, that is outright hostility and open aggression.

People aren't fickle; the situation changed. While they had issues with how the Liberals were running their country, these issues paled into insignificance when compared to an external threat to their very existence.

Carney said he would protext Canada, would stand strong against the bully that the US voters put in. Sounds like a perfectly reasonable position for the lectorate to take. They put aside their small individual concerns for the greater good.

Its a pity that Trump supporters could do the same and instead felt that Kamala's laugh or same sex toilets were the bigger issues than letting a fraud and SAer and declared wannabe dictator into the most powerful position in the country.

Give him a few more days after that and he'll flip it then to "I helped him bigly, if it wasn't for me, Carney would never have got elected"

Not only have the conservatives taken a huge beating, Poilievre seems likely to have lost his own seat.

Looks like Canadians have taken a look at what Trump and the GOP have turned into, and have outright rejected it for their own country.

Labour have 63% of the seats in Westminster. If you have 100 people in a room, 14 of them have to change their opinion for them to lose their majority of opinion. On the same metric, in the US, it's just 2 people with respect to those who chose Trump at the last election.

And there's a whole lot more reasons for people to have shifted from him than to have moved towards him since he won. The only thing he can hang his hat on, is his immigration policy, and everyone who would be pleased about that today, was already voting for him anyway.

But he did win, and for about another 18 months, he has the office, the house and the senate, but from even as soon as this time next year, Republicans will be looking nervously at the mid-terms and he could find the voices agreeing with him that are there now, are not as loud then.

Of course, given the incompetency of Johnson as leader of the house and Trumps style of Presidency, it hasn't really been a real use to him in the first 3 months of his term anyway.

I don't understand how the Canada 51st state was ever taken seriously by anyone. Before Trump was anything more than a failed embarrassment in the real estate industry, Canadians rejoiced in telling visitors about how they burned the White House in 1814. Only at the point of a gun would they be annexed.

Yeah. A lot of the issues are because the systems people use to elect their governments are archaic and corrupt and force people to choose between 'a douche and a turd' every time.

Canada, America, UK, all have first past the post systems that are almost impossible to reform because the incumbent party by definition always benefits from the system that saw them get elected, and two established parties tend to dominate with 3rd party voters essentially voting in favour of the the party they dislike the most.

If the electoral system is rigged then you can't blame the voters for electing bad candidates.

They took a huge beating compared to their polling around a month before Trump took office, and that's the point of discussing it in this thread. The sharp turn in polling back to the Liberals was a direct result of Trump.

Its not like that will change though. They have been using that system for so long that using modern systems in other countries would seem like too much of a change.

It took how long for gay people in Ireland to get marriage rights? It took how long for black people in deep southern US somewhat equal rights (probably a few with old attitudes down there still!)?

That sort of change happens over decades, not just 1 guy like trump coming in and upsetting world order.

You can't overlook the machinations that happened to create Trump's win. Over 4 million eligible voters were purged from the rolls,.and that's not even talking about the quite credible possibility of actual election hacking fraud.

It's like when folks say Americans aren't ready for a female perfect, despite a majority already having voted for one.

REPORTER: Amazon will soon display a number next to the price of each product that shows how much the Trump tariffs are adding. Isn't that a perfect demonstration that it's the American consumer who is paying for these policies?

LEAVITT: This is a hostile and political act by Amazon.

Stay tuned for Burger King to object to having to list the calories beside their food on the grounds that such a requirement is a hostile and political act.

It's not taken seriously by anyone even now. The fact that the idea is delusionally unrealistic doesn't make Trump's advocacy of it any less hostile or offensive.

I can see why the Trump regime would be pissed about it, and presumably Amazon made this decision knowing that it would piss them off. But in the US context it's a more than reasonable decision. Ticket prices on goods in the US are quoted before sales tax; it's only when you get to the till that they add the tax to your purchases. If you're price-sensitive you have to remember this, and make sure you have enough money to cover the ticket price and the tax. So Americans are accustomed to being told the price and the applicable tax separately. This isn't quite the same, but you can see the parallel.