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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “He is by no means guaranteed support from this latter grouping.”

    Ok so strictly speaking I agree - but put out a female person of colour with views very far away from the republican right- and it’s as good as a guarantee - what I learned about the last election is, if the Democrat right now, is just that bit too far away from centre, Republicans will win- no matter how appalling or repulsive their candidate is- fight “right” with “left” doesn’t work in America right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Field east


    if Trump is ‘removed’ for whatever reason and Vance takes over and follows the same strategies/policies/ behaviour will he BE THEN SUBJECT TO THESAME PrESSUREs and ‘ got rid of also’?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Field east


    Aeroplanes still exist

    Aeroplanes still exist!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    What is it with MAGA and capital letters? can you only type angry? or maybe you get off on copying the dear leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭poop emoji


    You can guarantee Trump will sell these chips to Russia who in turn a sell em to China



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭poop emoji


    There is a tariff on braincells and caps lock keys



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,028 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Actions speak louder than words. He has repeatedly looked to use the machinations of the state to target people he sees as his enemies. He is ignoring the directions of the courts, as we speak.

    Ignoring this is this is the dramatization, the spin, the misinterpretation of reality that I think you are referring to.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,036 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    I think America is far more conservative than a lot of Western Europe. What we consider left of centre they often see as far left, using it almost like a bizarre curse. If they want to get those centrists then yeah, they'll need to strike the balance whilst still not betraying the things that differ them from Republicans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,028 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Alas, these are the people we hoped would save us from him at the last election.

    And that wasn't the case. But, I still maintain he is fundamentally unpopular at this point. There are some who love him more than they did because of his blatant disregard for the due process of immigrants and what they perceive as "sticking it to Chy-na". But there's very little positives for the American people out of much of what he has done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,028 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The impact of Trump's actions in this administration might not be fully revealed or identified for years or decades.

    China is clearly looking to capitalize on the vacuum it is leaving on the world stage and the impact of that could be very significant.

    I think the biggest impact of the administration on domestic affairs could have many layers. The undermining of the judicial system by the executive will surely be something that will be looked to utilize by future administrations in a country where judicial experience sets precedent. The tax breaks for the wealthy and the suggestion that low cost manufacturing could return to the US will only serve to weaken the working class further in terms of them holding their own versus corporate culture. Again, these things will not be clearly defined by the end of Trump's term but his actions have definitely increased the likelihood that they will come to pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,217 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I think there may well have been a big amount of 'Cambridge analytica' going on with Trump support.

    The social media machine that promoted him, showed a different version of Trump to people depending on who they are.

    They showed the racist trump to the racists, they showed the 'Drain the swamp' trump to the people sick of 'the establishment' and they showed the 'I'll bring back jobs' Trump to the people who were feeling economically marginalised

    We assume that US voters are well informed about politics. A lot of them are ridiculously uninformed about even the most basic facts and are very easy to manipulate if you have the ability to control what news and disinformation pops up on their phones when they're scrolling through facebook for hours every night.

    Loads of Trump voters actually believed that there were invasive hoards of immigrants banging on the border wall waiting to be let in, they actually believed that they are 'eating the cats, and eating the dogs' they actually believed that the democrats mismanage the economy and caused the massive debt and the loss of jobs to China, and they believed that Trump, whatever about his flaws, had a plan to fix all of these problems.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Someone on the news yesterday (I think it might have been someone from Harvard but I just can’t recall) urged institutions and bodies (such as lawyers for example) to stick together- I think that’s really good advice but so far, I’ve seen very little evidence of this - there needs to be an institutional body response to what Trump is doing - be it employer and employee representatives or lawyers or doctors or scientists or whatever - people will get picked off individually, we know that - it’s the representative bodies that hold the stronger hand- but so far nadda of note



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    My experience of boards is that it would be viewed very liberal - so “far left” in American terms by Americans - yes you’re correct.
    Challenge of course is, if you move too far back towards centre, your marginal voters just won’t vote - or as we’ve seen, will get swept up in some religious crap and vote according to their stance on abortion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭Suckler


    And I think we should remember this when people talk about Russians standing up to Putin; look how quickly institutions were rolled over with less of a threat. When the public see this, it becomes less likely of collective individual revolt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,217 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The turnout figure only includes votes that were certified and counted. Not the number of people who actually turned out to vote.

    Millions of voters were disenfranchised in the last election, and the GOP spent years laying the framework so that the vast majority of disenfranchised voters, were likely democrat voters especially in swing states.


    According to Greg Palast
    https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-c6f

    — 

    4,776,706 

    voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.

    — By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters 

    challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. 

    The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.

    — No fewer 

    than 2,121,000 mail

    -

    in ballots were disqualified

     for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).

    — 

    At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.

     

    1,216,000

     “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.

    — 

    3.24 million new registrations were rejected

     or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    I said that was told that using trump tactics was 'admitting defeat'. Apparantly no one understands that to defeat a Trump, you need an even bigger trump who will do the wrong things for the right reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    Trump has to removed, so does Vance. There needs to be protocalls put in place to ensure that people like that are never allowed anywhere near positions of power. Trump is acting like a dog without a leash, that cannot be allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭yagan


    Or you could just accept that the people who elevated Trump just want to burn it all down.

    They don't believe in government, to them equality is oppression and cooperation is evil.

    You can't out cult a cult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    Respectly I disagree. You can always fight fire with fire. Always.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,903 ✭✭✭eire4


    Since Reagan the authoritarian Republicans have been pushing the lie that government is inherently bad and we are seeing now the results of them getting a chunk of Americans to buy into that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Ha .. well now .. Irony at its very best

    White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt blames Made in China while wearing a beautiful lace dress Made in China. Blaming Made in China is her job, enjoying Made in China is her life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭yagan


    Ignorance can't infect ignorance.

    Maga, like brexit is a cult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Interesting figures from Gavan Reilly with ref to Pharma

    €10.45 BILLION of pharmaceutical exports from Ireland to the United States in February 2025 alone - compared to €1.87bn in Feb 2024. An increase of 461%

    Pharma exports to USA were €19.9bn for the first two months of 2025. €44.4bn for the entirety of 2024, €6bn of which was Jan and Feb

    Pharma exports to US account for 63% of all Irish exports in the first two months of 2025

    So whats this big huge jump in the start of 2025?

    Trump seeing this will make him apoplectic. Wait for lots of mentions of Ireland in the oval office pressers in the coming weeks and not in a good way I suspect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭pad406


    Sure Trump's stores are full for made in China stuff. She's only following her boss 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Surely Trump himself is the reason for such an increase. Firms are stockpiling because of his stupid threats about tariffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Stockpiling before the tariffs i would imagine. Can try negotiate lower while not sending much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭yagan


    If any industry has a good handle on how much longer the maga cult leader will live it's pharma.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,680 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    So whats this big huge jump in the start of 2025?

    Concensus seems to be it is stockpiling in anticipation of tariffs. Its a bit surprising that Irish pharma plants were able to suddenly increase production by 5-fold over a couple of months. Maybe its orders, in which case they may well still be tariffed.











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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    And when the exports fall back, as sure as night follows day you'll have people claiming that the sky is falling in.

    There is too much news



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