Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

Oscar_Madison · 16-04-2025 12:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362235#Comment_123362235

There’s a number of aspects to this though- there’s internal America DT and there’s world DT.

What he’s doing to the rest of the world right now - tariffs, threatening UK to repeal lgbtq legislation if they want to do business etc - is bad on the world certainly, but just right now, Americans won’t see much impact. And a lot of the “noise” is directed outwards not inwards towards America

It’s his internal dismantling of domestic checks and balances along with massive fraud on the stock market and the depletion of their 401k accounts and job losses and sackings - that’s what America needs to worry about - but they’re still asleep in the main so they don’t actually realise just how fcked up their country is about to become. And it will get worse - a lot worse.

Make no mistake -America asked for this- white Christian America especially asked for this. And many will remain happy and many more republican voters will just shut up and keep quiet. It’s the democrats that need to grow a pair- but as I’ve said, they’re still asleep

Suckler · 16-04-2025 12:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362326#Comment_123362326

it's wild than America who values MBAs over everything thinks they can win the science victory.

It's increasingly crept in here as well - there's increased reliance on management companies. Never be the one executing; be on the evaluating side. Retrospective execution is so much easier.

I love the Roosevelt quote "It's not the critic who counts.." but it's no good to you when the Government are looking for targets.

Strazdas · 16-04-2025 12:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362235#Comment_123362235

There is a hardcore MAGA crowd of perhaps 40m or something - these would be your hardcore conservatives, reactionaries, racists etc that you normally see at Trump rallies. But there are tens of millions of more moderate Republicans and conservatives with a small 'c' who are not on the 'Trump is the Messiah' train. He is by no means guaranteed support from this latter grouping.

Field east · 16-04-2025 12:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123358674#Comment_123358674

Said that he would act as a DICAToR for ONE DAY ONLY - and I think that it was to be his first day in office. Please do not expand , dramatise, spin , misinterpret, dis respect, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, what President Trump said on this matter or on any other matter !!!!!!!!

everlast75 · 16-04-2025 12:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362392#Comment_123362392

A president saying he will be a dictator for one day is more egregious than someone online saying he said it would be for more than one day.

Interesting to see which one you are more upset about.

Oscar_Madison · 16-04-2025 12:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362380#Comment_123362380

“He is by no means guaranteed support from this latter grouping.”

Ok so strictly speaking I agree - but put out a female person of colour with views very far away from the republican right- and it’s as good as a guarantee - what I learned about the last election is, if the Democrat right now, is just that bit too far away from centre, Republicans will win- no matter how appalling or repulsive their candidate is- fight “right” with “left” doesn’t work in America right now

Field east · 16-04-2025 12:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123358878#Comment_123358878

if Trump is ‘removed’ for whatever reason and Vance takes over and follows the same strategies/policies/ behaviour will he BE THEN SUBJECT TO THESAME PrESSUREs and ‘ got rid of also’?

Field east · 16-04-2025 12:46PM

Aeroplanes still exist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123358964#Comment_123358964

Aeroplanes still exist!

dinorebel · 16-04-2025 12:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362417#Comment_123362417

What is it with MAGA and capital letters? can you only type angry? or maybe you get off on copying the dear leader.

poop emoji · 16-04-2025 01:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362326#Comment_123362326

You can guarantee Trump will sell these chips to Russia who in turn a sell em to China

poop emoji · 16-04-2025 01:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362460#Comment_123362460

There is a tariff on braincells and caps lock keys

Tell me how · 16-04-2025 01:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362392#Comment_123362392

Actions speak louder than words. He has repeatedly looked to use the machinations of the state to target people he sees as his enemies. He is ignoring the directions of the courts, as we speak.

Ignoring this is this is the dramatization, the spin, the misinterpretation of reality that I think you are referring to.

ixoy · 16-04-2025 01:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362414#Comment_123362414

I think America is far more conservative than a lot of Western Europe. What we consider left of centre they often see as far left, using it almost like a bizarre curse. If they want to get those centrists then yeah, they'll need to strike the balance whilst still not betraying the things that differ them from Republicans.

Tell me how · 16-04-2025 01:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362380#Comment_123362380

Alas, these are the people we hoped would save us from him at the last election.

And that wasn't the case. But, I still maintain he is fundamentally unpopular at this point. There are some who love him more than they did because of his blatant disregard for the due process of immigrants and what they perceive as "sticking it to Chy-na". But there's very little positives for the American people out of much of what he has done.

SaoPaulo41 · 16-04-2025 01:41PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c33zr4n8pm3o

Unbelievable

Tell me how · 16-04-2025 01:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362362#Comment_123362362

The impact of Trump's actions in this administration might not be fully revealed or identified for years or decades.

China is clearly looking to capitalize on the vacuum it is leaving on the world stage and the impact of that could be very significant.

I think the biggest impact of the administration on domestic affairs could have many layers. The undermining of the judicial system by the executive will surely be something that will be looked to utilize by future administrations in a country where judicial experience sets precedent. The tax breaks for the wealthy and the suggestion that low cost manufacturing could return to the US will only serve to weaken the working class further in terms of them holding their own versus corporate culture. Again, these things will not be clearly defined by the end of Trump's term but his actions have definitely increased the likelihood that they will come to pass.

Akrasia · 16-04-2025 01:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123361503#Comment_123361503

I think there may well have been a big amount of 'Cambridge analytica' going on with Trump support.

The social media machine that promoted him, showed a different version of Trump to people depending on who they are.

They showed the racist trump to the racists, they showed the 'Drain the swamp' trump to the people sick of 'the establishment' and they showed the 'I'll bring back jobs' Trump to the people who were feeling economically marginalised

We assume that US voters are well informed about politics. A lot of them are ridiculously uninformed about even the most basic facts and are very easy to manipulate if you have the ability to control what news and disinformation pops up on their phones when they're scrolling through facebook for hours every night.

Loads of Trump voters actually believed that there were invasive hoards of immigrants banging on the border wall waiting to be let in, they actually believed that they are 'eating the cats, and eating the dogs' they actually believed that the democrats mismanage the economy and caused the massive debt and the loss of jobs to China, and they believed that Trump, whatever about his flaws, had a plan to fix all of these problems.

Oscar_Madison · 16-04-2025 01:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362748#Comment_123362748

Someone on the news yesterday (I think it might have been someone from Harvard but I just can’t recall) urged institutions and bodies (such as lawyers for example) to stick together- I think that’s really good advice but so far, I’ve seen very little evidence of this - there needs to be an institutional body response to what Trump is doing - be it employer and employee representatives or lawyers or doctors or scientists or whatever - people will get picked off individually, we know that - it’s the representative bodies that hold the stronger hand- but so far nadda of note

Oscar_Madison · 16-04-2025 02:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362609#Comment_123362609

My experience of boards is that it would be viewed very liberal - so “far left” in American terms by Americans - yes you’re correct.
Challenge of course is, if you move too far back towards centre, your marginal voters just won’t vote - or as we’ve seen, will get swept up in some religious crap and vote according to their stance on abortion.

Suckler · 16-04-2025 02:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362772#Comment_123362772

And I think we should remember this when people talk about Russians standing up to Putin; look how quickly institutions were rolled over with less of a threat. When the public see this, it becomes less likely of collective individual revolt.

Akrasia · 16-04-2025 02:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362134#Comment_123362134

The turnout figure only includes votes that were certified and counted. Not the number of people who actually turned out to vote.

Millions of voters were disenfranchised in the last election, and the GOP spent years laying the framework so that the vast majority of disenfranchised voters, were likely democrat voters especially in swing states.

According to Greg Palast
https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-c6f

—

4,776,706

voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.

— By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters

challenged the rights of 317,886 voters.

The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.

— No fewer

than 2,121,000 mail

-

in ballots were disqualified

for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).

—

At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
—

1,216,000

“provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.

—

3.24 million new registrations were rejected

or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

BP_RS3813 · 16-04-2025 02:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362414#Comment_123362414

I said that was told that using trump tactics was 'admitting defeat'. Apparantly no one understands that to defeat a Trump, you need an even bigger trump who will do the wrong things for the right reasons.

BP_RS3813 · 16-04-2025 02:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362417#Comment_123362417

Trump has to removed, so does Vance. There needs to be protocalls put in place to ensure that people like that are never allowed anywhere near positions of power. Trump is acting like a dog without a leash, that cannot be allowed.

yagan · 16-04-2025 02:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362844#Comment_123362844

Or you could just accept that the people who elevated Trump just want to burn it all down.

They don't believe in government, to them equality is oppression and cooperation is evil.

You can't out cult a cult.

BP_RS3813 · 16-04-2025 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362863#Comment_123362863

Respectly I disagree. You can always fight fire with fire. Always.

eire4 · 16-04-2025 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362863#Comment_123362863

Since Reagan the authoritarian Republicans have been pushing the lie that government is inherently bad and we are seeing now the results of them getting a chunk of Americans to buy into that.

aidanodr · 16-04-2025 02:41PM

Ha .. well now .. Irony at its very best

White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt blames Made in China while wearing a beautiful lace dress Made in China. Blaming Made in China is her job, enjoying Made in China is her life.

https://twitter.com/thinking_panda/status/1911706974418514345

yagan · 16-04-2025 02:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362881#Comment_123362881

Ignorance can't infect ignorance.

Maga, like brexit is a cult.

aidanodr · 16-04-2025 02:46PM

Interesting figures from Gavan Reilly with ref to Pharma

€10.45 BILLION of pharmaceutical exports from Ireland to the United States in February 2025 alone - compared to €1.87bn in Feb 2024. An increase of 461%

Pharma exports to USA were €19.9bn for the first two months of 2025. €44.4bn for the entirety of 2024, €6bn of which was Jan and Feb

Pharma exports to US account for 63% of all Irish exports in the first two months of 2025

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1912108631442534784

So whats this big huge jump in the start of 2025?

Trump seeing this will make him apoplectic. Wait for lots of mentions of Ireland in the oval office pressers in the coming weeks and not in a good way I suspect

pad406 · 16-04-2025 02:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123362898#Comment_123362898

Sure Trump's stores are full for made in China stuff. She's only following her boss 😀

Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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