Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

One of the assessments is that the Democrats needs a more radical candidate that the public can buy into. AOC might very well be that and I wouldn't say she is remotely the same as previous ones.

Also I don't think it should be ignored that Trump is behaving like a tyrant, you and others might like that he's deporting innocent people to El Salvador but it's horrifying. On top of that, plenty of the very people that elected him are very pissed off with his tariffs policies and the impact it's having on their 401ks... His fan base are having buyers remorse so now it's a matter of if the party reacts and starts pulling back on him. Either way, the country is irreparably damaged.

I want to throw up every time some (redacted) says "oh but Trump is so charismatic and anyway Kamala has an annoying voice".

No! Eff off!

Trump threw a big rock into the pond that is American society. And he stirred up enough sediment to literally muddy the waters. He appeals to the absolute dregs, the people who form the third world segment of the US. But being without good prospects in life isn't enough to be swayed by Trump. His main appeal is with morons, general crackpots, racists, fascists, people with an axe to grind against society and a general hatred of any form of government, incels, 4chan losers, conspiracy loons and the most pitiful and subhuman of them all, white supremacists. And of course billionaires who are the main benefactors of the chaos he generates.

He has given the craven Lumpenproletariat centre stage. He didn't win because of decent people being swayed by his arguments, he won because he appealed to subhuman scum by validating their hatred and stupidity.

Anyone who thinks Trump is in any way charismatic, instead of a whiny man baby with a voice that makes you want to rearrange his teeth with a baseball bat, is part of his target audience.

So why don't you? Why the charade?

Typically when posters engage in these weak attempts to somehow defend Trump or attack his opponents, with zero actual evidence, it betrays a sneaking regard for Trump and or his some of his policies. Multiple posters have called you out on your original claim, listing in detail how many campaign promises he is miles away from eg stock market, prices, ending wars … you have no real response and just engage in these cryptic semantics or plain ignore it and go off on a tangent.

Trump's charisma doesn't appeal to you as you have different values but he does have charisma that appeals to with morons, general crackpots, racists, fascists, people with an axe to grind against society and a general hatred of any form of government, incels, 4chan losers, conspiracy loons and the most pitiful and subhuman of them all, white supremacists that you mention.

Trump is a charismatic sociopath who doesn't care about others feelings or emotions and that's the appeal and admiration he receives from the above group.

People who support him tune in to hear what he says and people who don't support him tune in to hear what he says. Both for different reasons but he attracts both to his message.

I find the people who validate him to ensure their own self interests more disgusting. People like Karoline Leavitt, MGT, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, etc.

Kamala and AOC do have annoying voices! I'm sorry but you can be saying the greatest speech in history but you can have everyone tune out if you're not good at delivering it.

The Democrats need another orator like Kennedy, Clinton and Obama.

Chlorinated chicken at that.

Vance threatening UK with no trade deal because of the lack of free speech in Britain, this coming from an administration that threatens colleges with removal of funding if they allow student protest on campus.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-jd-vance-trade-deal-free-speech-b2733806.html?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

But allies of Mr Vance say he is “obsessed by the fall of Western civilisation” – including his view that free speech is being eroded in Britain – and that he will demand the Labour government rolls back laws against hateful comments, including abuse targeting LGBT+ groups or other minorities, as a condition of any deal.

The Independent was told: “The vice-president expressing optimism [on a trade deal] is a way of putting further pressure on the UK over free speech. If a deal does not go through, it makes Labour look bad.”

That Vance is a degenerate hillbilly. And one dangerous kunt.

Pathetic little bitch of a man, every time he opens his mouth the immediate reaction is "just shut the **** up". A spineless boot licker, hopefully he's nice and close to Trump whenever karma comes calling for them.

You have to ask why they changed their vote. What was new about Trump in 2024 that they felt made him better than 2020?

If it was his promises about MAGA then they were deluded, as his time in office previously was enough to disabuse that notion. He stated repeatedly that he was out for vengeance. He was convicted on multiple counts, was found to have slept with a porn star and used campaign funds to cover it up.

So what was it that changed their minds?

The country that voted Trump for president is not going to vote AOC for president.

The Dems will have to do more than simply not talk about the social and DEI policies that a large number of Americans clearly don't like. They will have to go further, closer to disowening them.

In short, the Dems need to move to the right on non economic issues

I can understand the frustration, and indeed many of these groups gravitate towards Trump, but it's missing some very large groups:

The party faithful - the GOP could run a trashcan and it would get a significant baseline of votes

Low information voters - another vast number, Trump is masterful at manipulating this group with cheap populism

Then there is another swath of that group, middle America who voted for him simply because they recognised his name on the ballot (who the hell is Harris?)

All of whom have been worked for decades by the conservative media machine, pumping them with culture wars and tribalism 24/7.

Combine that with weak disorganised last minute leadership from the Dems, plus world events happening during their tenure (global inflation) + Trump's extraordinary luck (legal, the magical assassination escape photo op) and we arrive at him pipping at the post

I never said personally that I think he is charasmatic. He appears that way to ejets and scum though - which happens to be a good portion of america who also happen to be the loudest.