Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

There’s no question of the US taking back any of these “prisoners” - it just won’t happen. America won’t even take back the person sent “in error” - so there’s no way they’ll take back anyone else.

As for ongoing payment, I reckon this will end after they’ve maxed out the prison spaces there - the country will have served its purpose and no longer required - maybe 5-10k prisoners “exported” from America - job done.

Hispanic voters are largely influenced by the RCC so they're going to vote anti-abortion. Further, the established ones aren't necessarily all that welcoming of other hispanic immigrants.

5-10k is a relatively small number given their plans to deport millions. If they renege on the El Salvador deal then other countries are unlikely to take in US prisoners.

However in monetary terms its probably a good deal for the US which make it less likely that they'll stop paying. I'm pretty sure I read they are paying El Salvador $25k per prisoner per year. The cost to incarcerate them in the US would be many multiples. I think it's something like €100k per year to incarcerate a prisoner in Ireland, with the privatised system over there you can be sure it costs a lot more than $25k.

EDIT: In Ireland it costs approximately €85k per year to house a prisoner, the median across US states is $65k. Massachusetts has the highest at $307k!!!

I suspect this is a strong arm tactic from the US anyway - they’re not “inviting” countries to take prisoners- they’re likely forcing them to do so or risk any amount of economic backlash

Dont forget many hispanic immigrants literally immigrated to escape communism, Venezuela in particular but also Cuba, Nicaragua, Bolivia

So they will absolutely vote against anything remotely left wing.

The RCC is part of the answer, but communism is a big part too, especially Venezuelans. They would vote for anyone against the left

The largest immigrants bloc is Mexican and often of least educated who took up manual labour in the US. Wealthy kids from the rest of Latin America if they emigrate have tended to favour Europe over the US since 2008.

yeah,remember that now,how did they not convict him on that? can sort of see why donnie is more then a wee bit vindictive towards Zelenskyy and Ukraine…he didnt get his way that time so hes trying to bully Ukraine again to give him whatever it is he wants this time around…

Prof John O'Brennan on with Pat Kenny suggesting that Trump has moved to dismantle American democracy much faster than Hitler did with Germany after January 1933. Conversely though, he thinks the Trump regime might collapse in on itself relatively quickly - he reckons the American public (even many Republicans) will not stand for a recession being imposed by him on them, not after he promised them the sun, moon and stars before the election.

Isn’t it mad though - dismantle democracy? A shur why not, knock yourself out. Less money in my pocket? Why you little %#*>$% …..

My question back to Professor whatisname is- if democracy is dismantled, just how will the people kick out Trump?

Because he is cruel to the same people they are cruel to.

Catholicism isn't about Jesus or love. It's about power through the othering of people.

But the question is how will it be achieved, who is going to do it. He would have to actively threaten the Supreme Court in some way, or do something that threatened the ultra wealthy's money, but neither of these seem all that likely at the moment. No point just removing him, Vance has to go as well, and the people using them as a front, its a big ask. And Trump could easily be turned into a wronged saint, his martyrdom would be a huge issue. I reckon they need at least 10 years of failure, anarchy and isolation before they try to improve.

I see a military coup happening in the USA if Trump keeps going along his present path and the economy crashes.

The way he treats veterans means there is no love lost between himself and the military anyway.

Plus the German could not see why they couldn't have an empire like France and Britain, whereas the dissatisfied in the US are not really sure what being great is, they want production back in the US but don't want to work on the assembly. The Germans had a goal for which they aspired whereas the average trumper won't work in an iPhone assembly line they insist should be in the USA.

It's far more productive for China to invest what t bonds they still have into countries that have tangible aspirations.

”My question back to Professor whatisname is- if democracy is dismantled, just how will the people kick out Trump?”

oooh oooh me me, I know this one /s

Guns Americans will use guns they love so much, while Putin and Xi laugh their holes off as US descends into a civil war

Be interesting to see where the army falls, so far the now disappeared from boards.ie member of US military spun incredible delusions about checks and balances that are all gone now

Our geopolitical non alignment during the cold war actually stands to us, a stance that rejected imperial coercion which would chime with most nations.

China followed our path in transitioning a mostly agrarian society into the modern age.

Ironically some UN agencies were based in Switzerland when it wasn't even a member!