Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD Mod Note Added 02/09/25

dabbler2004 · 31-03-2025 09:19AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0331/1504930-summit-london/

Are the government finally acknowledging that there are issues with migration and are going to do something about it or just another case of all talk and no action.

Thorny Queen · 31-03-2025 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312900#Comment_123312900

The question we have to ask is why they are on the Dole? Ireland as a nation failed so many people- church abuse, school abuse, mother and baby homes, creation of poor social housing and tenements, lack of resources to help the poor and people in chronic poverty, not giving support to children who have learning disabilities etc.

Ireland needed and needs to sort out these chronic social issues in our own society before we go looking for more.

I always ask the why first before I jump to conclusions.

Kermit.de.frog · 31-03-2025 09:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312900#Comment_123312900

In bad case scenario welfare would have to be reduced too so might want to be careful what they wish for.

Backstreet Moyes · 31-03-2025 09:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312937#Comment_123312937

We are very generous with the benefits that we give and people will exploit that.

It's the reason people are travelling through multiple countries to come here.

31-03-2025 09:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123313002#Comment_123313002

If welfare is so generous then surely all the issues thorny queen stated shouldn't exist for Irish citizens. Right?

So it's all in that posters head?

InAtFullBack · 31-03-2025 09:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123311171#Comment_123311171

I refuse to blame the poor people looking for a better life, I blame the governments lack of action. Our international obligations are easily met.

Are they poor people though? A fair proportion have forked out thousands to smugglers to bring them to Europe. Secondly, other people looking for a better life is not the responsibility of the Irish taxpayer.

International obligations are glorified pinky promises and can be easily watered down or ignored when suited. All that's needed is a government with a back bone to stand up to those pushing the 'international obligations' angle.

InAtFullBack · 31-03-2025 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312900#Comment_123312900

Similarly the state sponsored NGO sector who deals with migration issues will continue to still be well-funded, as too will the legal professions representing them, would you agree?

Perhaps if there are cuts that in particular affect the legal professions they will probably lobby for a tribunal to be set up - so millions more can continue to flow to the legals. They have form in this regard.

Backstreet Moyes · 31-03-2025 12:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123311171#Comment_123311171

How exactly do you make out that these people are poor.

It costs thousands to get fake passports, flights and pay traffickers to jump through multiple countries to get here.

A lot of Irish people people live month to month and scrape by.

We both have good jobs and if I decided in the morning I wanted to smuggle myself across the globe into Pakistan I wouldn't have the money to pay for it.

On what basis are you claiming these people are poor?

Goldengirl · 31-03-2025 01:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312743#Comment_123312743

Have you a point to make ?

You can't take phrases out of context out up a silly emoji and expect it to be understood. Although I see where you might think that was a contradiction ..if you hadn't read what I was replying to properly or understood it .

Goldengirl · 31-03-2025 01:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312754#Comment_123312754

It's a comment he made and since not repeated by him , at a time when he was looking for support from more right wing independents .

Not government policy.

And not factual .

engineerws · 31-03-2025 02:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312894#Comment_123312894

He never made any claims. He tackled the man to the ground so he couldn't retrieve his knife after the lady kicked it away. The Brazilian threw his helmet at the man and then put the knife in the bushes.

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/west-wicklow-news/wicklow-dad-tackled-childrens-attacker-in-dublin-school-stabbing/a23948908.html

My guess is that his wife felt bad as he put his life at risk but got not even a mention. It was great the Brazilian helped out but clearly Warren did the lions share of heroing. The answers are all in the article. He never gave an interview.

Lotus Flower · 31-03-2025 02:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123313954#Comment_123313954

Depressing but not surprising that he gets called a chancer

tom23 · 31-03-2025 02:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123313954#Comment_123313954

well said - he deserves every bit of credit that comes his way. Awful pity the media didn’t take the same interest in his heroics as the brazilian.

Brian? · 31-03-2025 03:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123313016#Comment_123313016

I’ll readily admit that some of the people arriving aren’t poor. But I’d guess the vast majority are.

Even genuine refugees use couriers to get out of hazardous situations. If they pay thousands for it, they have probably sold everything to pay for it.

ShagNastii · 31-03-2025 03:10PM

I can understand championing the Brazilian fellow in the Parnell Street incident . I suppose it is in the medias interest to accentuate the positive, eliminating the negative. "Don't mention the thing, don't mention the thing. Look at this good news story. Look at the good news story!!!!!!!!!!!".

I think it is one of those pro-immigration tropes people can spout un-challenged. It is hard not to cringe when we get people pointing out the success of the French and English football teams, and how it wouldn't have happened without the help of mass immigration.

It is almost like they are begging people to have a eureka moment "OMG!!!! I never thought of the football team?? That is me sold. Let's base our whole immigration policy on the fact we might have a brilliant football/basketball/athletics team in 10-15 years. It will be 100% worth it".

Brian? · 31-03-2025 03:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123313471#Comment_123313471

on what basis do you think they’ve all paid for the above? You make some mad assumptions.

My assumption is that people arriving looking for a better life are generally poor. Why would they be coming here if they weren’t?

Backstreet Moyes · 31-03-2025 03:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123314159#Comment_123314159

On what basis do I think that they paid for the above.

Well I don't think people smugglers are providing people with fake passports for free.

It would be a strong assumption that they are paying for it.

What's your reasoning for thinking that people don't pay for it?

Maybe they are all great at creating fake passports?

Brian? · 31-03-2025 04:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123314220#Comment_123314220

I am 100% sure some of them pay for it. I said that already. That doesn’t mean they aren’t poor

Backstreet Moyes · 31-03-2025 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123314353#Comment_123314353

If they were poor they would get to the nearest safe country for the cheapest price.

They would not be spending a lot more money to pass through multiple safe countries to get here.

Anyone paying to get to Ireland is not poor.

Galwayguy35 · 31-03-2025 05:36PM

Is this migration pact that is happening next year good or bad for us?

I don't really understand the ins and outs of it but I've seen a few videos online saying we could end up with even bigger numbers of migrants coming here.

InAtFullBack · 31-03-2025 05:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123314562#Comment_123314562

It won't be good for us, that you can be sure of. This spineless Government are more than happy to sign up for it because it pretty much absolves them of all blame in any issues that will arise from it. The current 'international obligations' mantra is about to get a whole new meaning.

tom23 · 31-03-2025 06:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123314156#Comment_123314156

As a matter of interest has the brazilian fellow ever given an interview regarding the event and maybe has mentioned the other folk who disarmed the lunatic? Just wondering.

tom23 · 31-03-2025 06:23PM

I can’t imagine it will be good for us in any shape or form.

Patrick2010 · 31-03-2025 06:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123313012#Comment_123313012

Not really, generous for someone from the likes of say Somalia facing a life of poverty compared with going to Ireland when on arrival you have accommodation and food. Make an application for asylum and in the current timeframe it will take nearly 2 years to be heard. All this time you will be have free accommodation and food and a cash allowance.
If you’re refused you can appeal and spin it out for more years and eventually if you’re still refused you still might get citizenship. Worth a shot.

RoyalCelt · 31-03-2025 06:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123305348#Comment_123305348

We can nip it our government and the EU just doesn't want to.

RoyalCelt · 31-03-2025 06:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123305586#Comment_123305586

And don't forget what they're also doing. Huge reduction in immigrants from the 3rd world who are creating social issues. Don't forget about remigration either but unlike Denmark we shouldn't be paying troublemakers handsomely to leave.

RoyalCelt · 31-03-2025 07:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312743#Comment_123312743

"When a person argues in bad faith,

they intend to deceive and mislead when engaged in argument. A person can engage in bad faith arguing in many ways. One way to argue in bad faith is to knowingly use fallacies (errors in logic) to try to get the audience to accept a claim as true (or reject one as false)."

Brian? · 31-03-2025 07:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123314473#Comment_123314473

I think generalisations like this are ridiculous

Backstreet Moyes · 31-03-2025 07:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123314841#Comment_123314841

You play out the scenario for me and help me understand.

You are poor and are looking to flee to another country.

You can pay a trafficker to get you to safety in a close by country.

You decide to pay multiple more times money to travel across multiple countries to land here in Ireland.

If you are poor why would go for the most expensive option?

You help me understand why a poor person would do this and give me a different perspective.

Brian? · 31-03-2025 08:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123314890#Comment_123314890

Simple: you’re poor. You want to leave. You sell everything you have to get the safest country you think will take you in. You don’t care about spending all of your money to get there, because you know once there you have a chance to be economically prosperous.

This isn’t a scenario I’ve made up. This happens over and over again. Why do you think trucks full of migrants are found at Irish ports?

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