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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭mrslancaster



    From a UNHCR report. Back in December we had a backlog of 22,548 applications waiting for a decision, the time to process a decision was 79.5 weeks and the IPA tribunal had 9,243 applications pending.

    That’s not counting the additional numbers that arrived this year so even with extra staff recruited into the ipa service, they don’t seem to be making any dent in the numbers. And the eye-watering sums being paid out from the public purse keeps growing.

    I suppose if they did get their act together and had faster turnaround times, some of the current accommodation would be surplus to requirements. Can’t be having that now, can we 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Either way, it's looking like it'll be sooner rather than later with reports in the Indo today of Martin warning the country that we could be heading into a trade war in the next few days if Trump's threats come to pass.

    As you say, it'll be much like the Financial crisis - the ecomonic migrants not rooted here will go home/elsewhere for better opportunities, a lot of the Ukranians will leave as the supports/freebies are cut in austerity measures, and likewise any "protection applicant" not already on the Welfare train will suddenly find alternatives elsewhere too. We'll be stuck with the remainder.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’m on the left. I contribute to several NGOs.

    It’s only some on the left and some NGOs that oppose deportations

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Interesting report about the new EU pact a few days ago from DoJ. Seems the state will build centres for higher numbers and the new system plus the existing system will run together for some time which means double costs. The new system for 14k state beds is estimated at 875k to set up and 725kpa to run. Staff, legal, and non-state premises for more than the 14k will be additional costs.

    So no big savings or reduced numbers coming down the line. Did Min. McEntee not say the new eu pact would be better than what we have now? Meanwhile,

    Refugee/IPA spending report for Q4 2024

    https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/320770/3208c1d9-e773-48cf-90fa-bc1a27aa4133.pdf#page=null

    Ipa data w/e 9 march

    https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/321702/92fec3b8-06ac-4807-b26a-2e65f5cbee6d.pdf#page=null



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    His missus was all over the internet saying he was the real hero and should be getting the go fund me money. Had a jumper with a hole in it as proof he nearly died protecting the kids

    Time is contagious, everyone is getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭tom23


    regardless… was he not first in after the teacher or is that false information?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Hodger


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    I’ve been observing the wave of protests that have unfolded since the events at East Wall, particularly those led by self-proclaimed 'Irish patriots' many of whom I recognize from their activity on Twitter. In the recent national election, the candidates they supported didn’t perform as well as they’d hoped, and that’s no secret. But what strikes me now is their reaction to Trump and his tariffs. I see some of them wishing for an economic crash, just to prove a point about immigration. If someone calls themselves a patriot or a nationalist yet hopes for the country they claim to love to suffer economically, they’re neither of those things in any real sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Hoping their kids grow up in a safe Ireland. Jesus Christ but what planet have they been living in. I'm living here 50 years and it's always had no go areas long before immigration. They might be milking us dry and causing even more problems in the health service but I don't consider them causing our country to be more dangerous, just look at all the Irish scrotes running riot in the city centre every week

    Time is contagious, everyone is getting old.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I have a word for these people: Idiots.

    They should be locked in a room with a box set of Reeling in the Years 1977-1994.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    But.. but.. Irish Cancer Society are a NGO ! ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Zico !


    Michael Martin has said most are economic migrants .Let that sink in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    While I disagree with these people and I'm by no means an expert in the matter, but there is a mystery to be explained about why, with all these multinationals in the country, we're still ranked roughly where we were twenty five years ago when it comes to the spending power of the average person in the country relative to other developed countries.

    This, of course, is not to say we should get rid of the multinationals or that US tariffs will be good for the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    How do the resident Irish racists on X hold down jobs? If they have employment their employers must be aware of their posts.

    I can only assume most if not all are unemployable and have no job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭prunudo


    That post by peterpaulguy isn't far off the money, there seems to be this notion that endless fdi is good because of the taxes they bring , but the only ones benefitting from record immigration are those corporations who are more interested in their bottom line than Irish society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    What happens to services and welfare in the state if those taxes disappear?

    The immigrants multinationals bring in are mostly skilled labour in short supply among the Irish population. Researchers, Software Developers, Executives, workers with key skills etc. They pay taxes here that help fund services.

    Multinationals also employ a large number of Irish people in skilled employment who pay Income tax, VAT etc.

    Etc etc

    If they upped sticks tomorrow the country would descend rapidly in to an impoverished hell scape.

    I'm not sure taking advice from those who are in all liklihood bitter losers in their own lives who want to drag us all down with them to their level is the right approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Pointing out legitimate concerns and valid points about the reasons that multinationals are here isn't racism, no matter how much you might wish it to be.

    Screeching - ists and - isms thankfully isn't being taken seriously much anymore in the face of the reality of the situation and the mounting problems it's causing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Some fdi is good, but to what end, we are now building houses, to supply migrant workers who are coming here to bump up the profits of mega corporations.

    The government had a golden goose and they've cooked it. We've allegedly been rolling in these high taxes for a number of years yet housing, services and infrastructure can't keep up with the population growth.

    There is a happy medium but we've passed that point and Irish society is suffering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It's worse than that. The government have made us increasingly dependent on FDI. They are actively replacing the tourism industry with the IPAS industry. Farming is under attack by the government also.

    All eggs are being put in the FDI basket. FDI is great and the immigrants working in FDI are a massive benefit to the country. The problem is FDI collapsing quickly with a depleted tourism industry, what is left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭corkie


    Can only put it down to anonymous accounts! Anyone posting radical stuff, are more than likely hiding behind that.

    I'm not anonymous on socials, because i have a very common name and google searches just throw up unrelated people's information! I don't post questionable or controversial content myself.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'm talking about the more virulent racist accounts. One in particular springs to mind that posts racist scaremongering stuff day after day and sometimes gets retweets from Musk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Not to worry.. I don't believe anything he says .

    But you do obviously .

    Aside from the last two days you have made the same statement in at least 4 other posts recently on this thread .

    It must be upsetting you . You do know that he's a politician and has been a known to embellish the truth as politicians tend to do now and again ?

    Let that sink in .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Zico !


    You don't believe the official response from the Irish government and contradict everything they say with your beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I never said I did or didn't, just that I don't't apparently put as much store in it as you seem to do .

    It's a repetitive comment by you , about a fairly mundane political wheeze by an aging politician .

    But each to their own I suppose .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    What do you mean the reasons multinationals are here? They make money, we get tax and employment. That's the deal, there is no conspiracy.

    There seems to be an intentional conflation between asylum seekers and the people who work for multinationals. Those people are skilled and educated, they earn higher salaries and contribute to this society far more than many Irish people I could mention do.

    If you want many more houses built fix the planning system where every Tom, Dick and Harry can hold up housing for years. Also end rent controls.

    There are too many in this society who want to have their cake and eat it. That is not the fault of workers in multinationals or the companies.

    You need to look closer to home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭twinytwo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    That depends on their posts and what you term as racist are you suggesting they should be fired for voicing an opinion .I would call that fascism. How many posters on this thread do you consider racist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Sounds like desperately trying to deny a fact to me .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The reality is the majority of these Patriots don't have to worry about a downturn.

    They will be on the dole before and after it.



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