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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    "A mainstream reporter story". lol.

    Again, try reading a little deeper.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/still-questions-after-36-years/

    Gus Russo, author of a book about the foreign policy implications of Kennedy's assassination, said he is skeptical that FBI agents listened to actual tapes. He cited a Nov. 25, 1963, memo from the FBI office in Mexico City to headquarters that said 

    "there appears to be some confusion in that no tapes were taken to Dallas, only typewritten reports were supplied."

    While they would not speculate about the identity of the caller, several assassination researchers privately offered some explanations: Oswald could have been impersonated by a CIA officer who called the Soviet Embassy simply to fish for details about what Oswald was doing in Mexico City. Or, maybe someone was trying to link Oswald to the KGB's assassination unit before Kennedy's murder.

    Either way, Oswald was in Mexico. Trying to get a visa to go live in either Cuba or the USSR. these files have decimated the case for any conspiracy. Not just JFK, but RFK and MLK too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Gus Russo, an author skeptical that the FBI listened to the tapes. Is that it.

    The FBI has an office in Mexico, making it possible for them to listen to the tapes there. The updated 27th memo explicitly states that the tapes previously reviewed should be included. Can an older memo from two days earlier be relied upon as a reliable source of information.

    Conversations between Hoover and president Johnston confirm they there was an imposter on the tapes.

    It is your claim.

    He was there yet there is no evidence for it.. taken pictures show a different man, and the FBI has never confirmed Oswald to have been on tape, only another man voice was.

    Either way difference of views

    Mellor, I not ignoring your reply just bit burned out from the jfk stuff now. My last post today and get to you sometime this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Why would they release a photo of Oswald that clearly isnt him? To, frame, err, who? Oswald? The guy in the photo? It was a mistake.

    Again though, Oswald was in Mexico.

    The case for conspiracy really is dead. Having read through a lot of the files now, theres actually less in there that I was expecting. And I wasnt expecting much. JFK and Oswald are barely mentioned.

    Anyone with 3 hours to spare, this is maybe the best documentary out there about Oswald.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    There is a fella on youtube called Sean Munger, he has a couple good videos that flies through the main points that gives a good solid case for why Oswald acted alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Hes excellent yeah.

    Hes had his say about the files. Nothingburger.

    "I’m frankly surprised that the National Archives managed to find anything to release this time"

    https://www.gardenofmemory.net/nothingburger-the-2025-jfk-assassination-document-dump/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    I highly doubt that Oswald did not receive some intelligence training before he was stationed at Atsugi Airbase, which was a well-known CIA surveillance station used by the CIA for monitoring the flights of the U-2 over communist countries and enemy targets.

    Although this does not necessarily make Oswald a spy, it does highlight that he may have read some highly classified material while preparing for the job. An intelligence pick need training.

    As an isolated event, this doesn't prove anything. However, consider how Oswald was able to go to Russia, live there, and then return home with a Russian wife. Oswald had access to the CIA's most advanced radar and was trained on it. He also knew how they tracked U-2 flights. Remember, secrets about his military career don't become useless to the communists.

    People who met with Oswald when he returned to the United States pretty much exposed him as a double agent. Even some of his jobs would have been impossible if he was an American defector to the Soviet Union.

    George de Mohrenschildt, a friend of Oswald, actually got him jobs that would have been impossible for a American defector to obtain. A millionaire and a white Russian, George was a man who hated Castro and communism, but the official narrative wants you to believe that he would help Oswald for no good reason at all. Why would George in the world of money care at all about an American Marxist who is so called broke and goes around loving everything he hates.

    We know for sure Oswald was involved in intelligence because he got a job at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall

    What is the importance of this? We have documents dating back to 1959 which show that James Angleton ordered another agent to open all of Oswald's mail which continued for years after that. It has been suggested that Angleton followed Oswald because he was a communist sympathizer or that he was merely watching his source closely.

    The CIA and the intelligence community were both keeping an eye on Oswald in any case, and he was placed on a watch list.

    At this point, begin to suspect that something is wrong.

    Oswald somehow cleared background checks to get a job where photography of the CIA and Department of Defense was being analyzed by intelligence officials. Debunkers often overlook this glaring issue. Oswald could have been an agent for Russia who gained access to the Pentagon's most sensitive photography. No sense in that. As a matter of fact, it makes more sense that it was just more contract work for his handlers in the intelligence community to carry out

    The official record portraying him as a radical Marxist defector to the Soviet Union who picks fights on the street, he just got this job with no questions asked. This absurdity is so ridiculous that it is laughable that people still believe it today.

    More red flags in Oswald's history, but we move forward to his job at the Texas School Book Depository. Again, the owner of the building had government connections with aerospace. The CIA was watching Oswald, visiting a Russian KGB agent allegedly in Mexico and monitoring alleged calls, yet the president's limo drives past the spot where this supposed communist is working at. How does all this happen when you got angleton requesting his man read oswald mail from 1959

    I don't know what Oswald knew of the assassination plot, but his life was a total red flag. Was he involved? He was obviously involved with the intelligence community. Whether he was the shooter is possible, as he was living this double life. Either way, what happened that day is clear: others with weaponry were positioned to take Kennedy out

    < As for the JFK files, 11,000 files still haven't come out, and it's looking bad at the moment. We only received the files we got last time, not all of them, but most of them were unredacted.

    There are no George Joannides files or the 2,400 new FBI files. It doesn't matter if we don't get the full picture of what happened here; these files should be released in full to put the jfk file story to rest.

    It is a very bad state of affairs if there is still deep state influence surrounding the Trump ppresidency. Most people know the C.I.A. destroyed Kennedy papers over the years. Never have a playbook.of the operation.

    There is no way to know the reason why Pompeo asked Trump not to release the files without a full release.

    Hope just a delay. Five days since the last release.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Fact free waffle.

    Again.

    "People who met with Oswald when he returned to the United States pretty much exposed him as a double agent. "

    "Either way, what happened that day is clear: others with weaponry were positioned to take Kennedy out"

    Lol. Time waster. What absolute nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,421 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I highly doubt that Oswald did not receive some intelligence training before he was stationed at Atsugi Airbase

    You can doubt all you like. But those doubts are based on ignorance. There were 200k marines in 1960s. Marines are not CIA.

    Although this does not necessarily make Oswald a spy, it does highlight that he may have read some highly classified material while preparing for the job. An intelligence pick need training.

    It doesn't make him a spy at all, like you claimed.
    He wasn't an intelligence pick. He was a random teenager. The CIA were not letting random teenagers browse classified material. He was a radar operation. His top secret clearance is required due to what he might hear on radar. Not what he might read in training.

    As an isolated event, this doesn't prove anything. However, consider how Oswald was able to go to Russia, live there, and then return home with a Russian wife. Oswald had access to the CIA's most advanced radar and was trained on it. He also knew how they tracked U-2 flights. Remember, secrets about his military career don't become useless to the communists.

    He left the marines and went to Russia when still a teenager. Operated radar, that's not the same as knowing how it worked in detail.

    People who met with Oswald when he returned to the United States pretty much exposed him as a double agent. Even some of his jobs would have been impossible if he was an American defector to the Soviet Union.

    He was never exposed lol. A defector would not get jobs, so logically it was not known that he had "defeted".

    We know for sure Oswald was involved in intelligence because he got a job at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall

    Are you claiming that only CIA worked at JCS?

    The CIA and the intelligence community were both keeping an eye on Oswald in any case, and he was placed on a watch list.

    You are contradicting yourself. First we know he was CIA, now we know they were watching him. The CIA watch thousands of people, those people are typically not spies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,321 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Cheerful S

    "I highly doubt that Oswald did not receive some intelligence training before he was stationed at Atsugi Airbase, which was a well-known CIA surveillance station used by the CIA for monitoring the flights of the U-2 over communist countries and enemy targets."

    Atsugi was and still is a US Navy facility (shared with the JASDF) and any CIA operations would have been a small (and highly classified) subset of the overall operations there. Only those who needed to be there would have had access to the relevant area of the base and even fewer would have had any insight into the nature of operations. You are jumping to conclusions that are not supported by the history of how U-2 operations were conducted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Posts like below. Honestly, from lenghty experience, don't bother with him.

    We know for sure Oswald was involved in intelligence because he got a job at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall

    Seems the biggest thing about these nothingburger files is that they released some peoples social security numbers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    You said in another thread:

    In regards to the JFK files………It appears that there are a number of new bombshells in there that are being studied by researchers and they have begun to work on them

    I asked you what new bombshells are in there and you dodged the question. Now you're saying that there's nothing new in there as they're the same files that we've already seen.

    We only received the files we got last time, not all of them, but most of them were unredacted.

    One of these statements is a lie. They can't both be true. Why are you lying on the internet? Is it perhaps to lend credence to your crazy, unsubstantiated claims that sound like the ramblings of a crazy person? Or are you just so used to making stuff up that you can't keep track of the BS you keep posting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    You also said the following in that same thread, then scurried away with your tail between your legs when probed:

    Already, there is enough evidence to support the claim that there was a cover-up just wanted to post this because good debate about what was found so far..

    Where is this evidence of the cover-up?

    Why wasn't this evidence already in public, if the files are the same as we've already seen?

    Why are you keeping this evidence to yourself?

    Is it because you haven't the first fcuking iota of an idea of what you're talking about and keep tying yourself up in knots because you can't keep track of all the outlandish claims you keep making out of some sort of perverse desire to feel validated by strangers on the internet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Oswald pro-Castro Cuba leaflets had same address building as Guy Banister, a former FBI chief in Chicago and an anti-Castro right-winger, nothing to see there.Additionally, Oswald's altercation with Joannides_ CIA/DRE group in New Orleans, along with the fake calls and incorrect photo of oswald nothing to see there too. As far as I can tell, Oswald knew everyone, yet he supposedly worked on his own. A mobster murdered him in a Dallas police station, and there was nothing to see there either. The CIA's favorite witch doctor visited Ruby, and there was nothing to see there either.

    The relationship between Oswald and de Mohrenschildt was routine and unremarkable, or so the debunkers claim. In spite of the fact that Mohrenschildt's family had been murdered by communists, Oswald's love for communism did not negatively impact his relationship with Mohrenschildt. He was also a great help in getting Oswald jobs, including one with a company that was doing photo work for the intelligence community that he helped to arrange. When an American defector returning from the Soviet Union was hired, it was considered routine..least that the theory debunkers believe.

    Debunkers will overlook the clear issues with Oswald acting alone and his employment history with companies that provided work to US intelligence.

    The movements of Oswald and the people he met reveal that he wasn't a lone nut and clearly had help here.

    Some may claim that Oswald was just a marine radar specialist with no intelligence background, but the evidence later shows he was sheep-dipped into a civilian role for an operation.

    We have very important information from the switchboard employee at the Dallas Police Department. This employee told us that Oswald had tried calling an intelligence officer . The event was intervened upon by two men in suits. The nothingburgers claim no intelligence background and yet we have evidence that he tried to call out to a person with that background.

    Nothingburger folks ignore facts that are inconvenient for them and only focus on stuff that makes sense to their world view.

    In these files, there is a great deal of new information that shows a pattern of deception, including the fact that the CIA lied under oath about when they became interested in Oswald. The CIA for decades hid Kennedy's desire to restructure the entire CIA agency in blackened memos. Moreover, we know angelton became interested in Oswald in 1958. In 1958, there was even a FBI document stating that Angleton was considering Oswald as a source and contact of interest

    Nothingburger folks clearly don't see the pattern of deception.

    We haven't got all.the files. There are a number of very important files that haven't been released yet. Can you tell me why that is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You said Trump and his administration were gonna reveal the truth, now you're saying they're actively withholding it? From what I gather, while not all are currently online, they are accessible if you want to walk into the archive. It's more just a case of uploading them which isn't exactly fast if not digitized.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cheerful just retyping (copied and pasted from somewhere else or written by Chat GPT) his greatest hits of the assassination.

    Fact free waffle. Amazing he can type so much without making any points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Butson


    What is a nothingburger?



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,828 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @Cheerful S this is a discussion site. You are expected to engage in discussion.

    As it's the Conspiracy Theories forum there is unlikely to be "proof" for ideas expressed here, but that doesn't absolve you from the need to discuss your ideas and opinion. Walls of text aren't discussion.

    Indeed walls of text are more likely to discourage discussion, as people either don't read them or are frustrated by the lengthy posts with no follow up engagement.

    Please take note of this for future. You don't have to "prove" anything here, but you are expected to engage in discussion with others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Talking about the JFK files, I claimed Trump would likely release them in his next term. We haven't got all the files uploaded, so it's impossible to verify if the records are complete. Nobody is going to head to the national archives to verify everything. Until everything is out online we can't say there's nothing new in the records.

    Some may not like the way I do things or believe it's disruptive to discussion. I post a lot of information, but if people are going to believe Oswald acted alone, there should be substantially accurate information to show otherwise. All the stuff I post is public record and can be verified, such as who Oswald met and the jobs he had. My impression of what it all means doesn't match the views of people here, but that's fine; nobody is going to change their beliefs on here.

    It's too early to tell what people aligned with Trump will release. I don't think the Epstein saga is over yet, nor the UFO files, 9/11, and perhaps JFK files discovery. Trump is only a facilitator of agreeing to release files; it's up to the people in charge of releasing the files to decide what comes out.

    Either way, think the files are a nothingburger. The least that's out now is a good thing for transparency. Personally, I don't think it was a nothingburger release; I highlighted three things that show CIA deception around Oswald and what Kennedy really thought of the CIA. Why would the cia black out that memo for decades if they believed it was a nothingburger. As far as I am concerned, what people claim does not make sense at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    This

    This is the best they can come up with from the new files.

    Its where Cheerful copies and pastes his info from. So many words, so little said.

    https://jfkfacts.substack.com/p/from-the-new-jfk-files-how-a-top

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    James Angleton lied to the HSCA [government investigation] when asked under oath if Oswald was part of any CIA project. The questioning was done by Michael Goldsmith. Morley showed us the transcript.

    Morley outlined the conclusively history of this lie, revealing that Angleton ran a secret CIA mail program called HTLINGUAL, which was so secretive that it had code words and top secret headings. There was a listing of Lee Harvey Oswald in the HTLINGUAL project, which proved that the CIA had lied about Oswald.

    Angleton is believed to be one of the planners who sent the shooters to kill Kennedy, showing that the CIA's word cannot be trusted regarding the Kennedy murder. This is explosive evidence of a cover-up.

    Those people, however, who believe Morley's evidence is nonsensical, need to ask why the CIA lies when under oath about having surveilled Oswald at a much earlier time than they revealed. It seems to me that the Nothingburger folks think lying under oath is acceptable since nothing will stop them from believing that Oswald acted on his own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Angleton is believed to be one of the planners who sent the shooters to kill Kennedy, showing that the CIA's word cannot be trusted regarding the Kennedy murder. This is explosive evidence of a cover-up.

    What a load of rubbish. Lies. No he is not.

    HTLINGUAL has been known about since the Church Committee in the mid 70s. They had 250,000 people's names on file. Including Oswald. Whoopee.

    So in the files:

    Nothing about another shooter.

    Nothing about Ruby.

    Nothing showing Oswald was innocent.

    Nothing about the mob.

    Nothing refuting forensics.

    Nothing to refute the findings of the Warren Commission.

    A nothing burger. Case closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    It's clear that you don't want to discuss the CIA's lies to the HSCA. This is how the cover-up is maintained: by ignoring counterarguments and pretending there's nothing there. Anyway, there is nothing more to be said about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The CIA lied and/or witheld info from every commission, committee and investigation ever. Same for the FBI and the Department of Justice.

    We already knew this. Decades ago. You havent read Robert Blakeys books. He goes into all this in great detail.

    This has already been discussed in this thread.

    As has your bizarre infatuation with making things up and blatantly lying in the face of publicly available facts.

    I post a lot of information

    No you do not. You post barely any information. And you've received warnings for doing so. For waffling. A lot of words does not equal a lot of information. Either are outright lies like below.

    We know for sure Oswald was involved in intelligence because he got a job at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall

    And with these new nothing burger files (and many released previously), we know what the info they witheld is. Mainly government covert Cold War operations. It has nothing of consequence to do with Oswald or JFK. Or RFK or MLK for that matter.

    Same story no matter where you look

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/03/declassified-jfk-files-provide-enhanced-clarity-on-cia-actions-historian-says/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Probably the first time I've seen you admit that the CIA lied to everyone. You've literally spent years defending the official narrative.

    Maybe you don't like me; that's how online discussions go. But it's never too late to be more open to the idea that Oswald did not act alone. It's not a failure; it's human to change opinions based on available information. If I thought Oswald did it alone, I would be more than happy to admit that as true on here.

    I see conflicting evidence from both sides that clearly shows the event portrayed by the Warren Commission is wrong.

    Don't, and that's why we butt heads here. Anyway, that's all I have to say on this.

    Just one last thing made a point on it.

    Maybe I should be clearer. In my perspective view, Oswald was intelligence. If it turns out he wasn't, that's fine. But I speculate because the narrative has Oswald as a Marxist returning from the Soviet Union and working at a printing firm for a year. I haven't seen the official record explain how he got a job with printing firm had ties to US intelligence and how he was never flagged as a security risk. If there is a reason he was not flagged by the CIA watching him, as we know now, I'd love to hear it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭riddles


    who filmed Oswald passing out leaflets in New Orleans which also contained the footage of him being arrested?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    A local TV station. The coverage of Oswald seems very unusual, with footage of him from all different angles. This raises the question of why Oswald was a news story in the first place.

    Later that day, Oswald was supposedly involved in an altercation with Carlos Bringuier of the DRE, the Joannides CIA-backed group in New Orleans, and was arrested. Days later, he appeared on Bill Stuckey's radio show for a debate with Bringuier, which was also filmed. This week-long series of events brought Oswald into the limelight. Was it all planned? Open to interpretation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    I haven't seen the official record explain how he got a job with printing firm had ties to US intelligence and how he was never flagged as a security risk. If there is a reason he was not flagged by the CIA watching him, as we know now, I'd love to hear it.

    Thats because you havent looked.

    He was hired after he got fired from a previous job and asked for assistance from the Texas Employment office, who referred him. So you can add them to the list of conspiatators too I guess!

    He was hired because of his marine experience with photography. He had a basic job with no access to any work they did for the CIA. Which was just typesetting anyway.

    They knew he lived in the USSR and they knew he was a marine. He used to read communist literature on his lunch breaks in front of the other staff. Just as he did in the marines. "Osvaldovich" as they called him.

    And before you once again question the job in the TSBD, it was via a neighbour who told Ruth Paine, who told Oswald. This was before any logistics about the JFK trip had been finalised. All JFK etc knew then is that they'd be in Texas in November.

    A happenstance of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Helen Cunningham told the Warren Commission that friends of hers, who were part of the white Russian community, recommended Oswald for the job. Yes he was looking for a job because he just moved from Fort Worth to Texas and was unemployed.

    There are several problems with the official story. First, Oswald was using the wrong social security number for the job, which the Warren Commission never investigated. Additionally, the U.S. government refuses to release his tax returns and payslips, so it's unclear who paid him, how much he was paid, and what his actual job was.

    We have testimony from work colleagues who claimed Oswald spoke about Marina being a white Russian girl, which could suggest that Oswald was in Russia with people who had sympathies for the old Russian way under the Tsar.

    Ofstein, a work colleague, claimed that Oswald would talk about the Russian army positions in Minsk and how they deployed in great detail, almost as if he had recorded everything in his head.

    Ofstein thought it was strange that in one conversation, Oswald asked, "You know what a microdot is?" and he didn't. Oswald told him it's how spies reduce large photographs to the size of a stamp to smuggle out.

    Oswald's timecard indicated he worked on some mapping of Cuba for the army, though it might not have been his daily job here. There is no evidence that Oswald worked undercover for the CIA agreed, but in a facility that was doing typesetting work on maps of high importance to the cold war, he was one of those walking red alerts. There is no official record of how this guy was not stopped at the hiring process, so please don't get me wrong that question I wanted to know.

    Oswald never hide this communist stuff. Nobody in management said oh **** this guy bad news before the hired him.

    Oswald was going around with fake IDs in the 60s under different name, indicating he had some knowledge of how to fake identification. To me, that's all stagecraft of a spy. It's very possible that the Alex Hindell persona was put together at Stovall.

    Let's just say I am wrong. Do you think it's negligence that they hired a Russian spy, which is how the U.S. government is trying to portray him?

    Let's deal with the TSBD narrative another time.



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