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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 false name


    Another thing I meant Esau is now I’m going to the high court to get my old bank records . I am pretty confident that the work and infrastructure I put in will , counting inflation , exceed the worth of the land minus the sites .

    and also if my parents are , in effect bankrupt , they can’t sell anything and as pensioners with no assets will be cared for by the state and not pay for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 false name


    Thanks for your concern but I’m fine .

    I put double glazed windows in . An oil burner . A functional septic tank andpiping.

    Radiators TVs . With my father we plumbed the whole house .
    Me paying for everything .

    Oh my siblings bought a fridge freezer 2/3 years ago so maybe they feel entitled



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ComputeBison


    Hey man, I just want to say first — I'm really sorry you're going through this.


    You did nothing wrong. In fact, you did everything right: you stepped up when others didn’t, invested your time, money, and heart into the family home and land. That’s something to be proud of, even if others don’t see it.

    It’s awful when family turns like that, especially when you’ve already got enough to deal with health-wise. But what stands out to me is how strong you’ve been — you built something with your own hands, and now you’re still fighting for what’s fair. That takes guts.

    I really hope the legal route brings some justice. But no matter how it shakes out, don’t let them make you question your integrity. You did what a decent, honest person does — and the world could use more of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    The farm, bar the holy grail of road frontage, isn’t worth €50k. Even though has central heating and other upgrades. checks daft.ie for cheapest lived in house .


    OP is going to the High Court to get THEIR OWN bank records.

    Parents, who have no debts (As far as we know)but are bankrupt?

    HSE won’t be taking an interest in the House under Fair Deal scheme.

    ^^^ all in the last few paragraphs.

    Oh, and the OP has already the solution because he’s going to evict the owners of the property.


    WHY are people engaging here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭carfinder


    The OP has exposed a serious flaw in the fair deal scheme. All you have to do is claim you contributed to the household over the years and your parents owe you more than the house is worth - winning formula! And go all the way to the HIGH COURT to get your bank statements for the last 30 years.

    Some great advice given to the OP and his story has more holes than Swiss cheese but he is full of his own self righteousness. OP, you should get some counselling to help release whatever anger is driving this obsession



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Op your story is all over the place. Please read over your all your posts - very little you say makes sense or what does make sense you then contradict by saying the opposite!

    We have a whole thread of you complaining that you are not getting the land, now you are saying you are getting most of the land excluding the sites 🤔😬

    I don't think anyone here can help you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Why do you need the high court to allow you access to your bank records?

    So now your siblings have their eyes on the sites. You have your eyes on the farm and home. All with the intention of leaving your parents with nothing and not a penny to pay for their own well being. Nice family. Your poor parents must be horrified.

    I can't see a judge in the country going for it. In fact I can't see how a court can rule to verify wills when the testators are still alive. So best of luck with that.

    Your mind is set on the legal road you have planned from the outset of the thread. No amount of practical talk is seeping through to you. I can't wish you the best of luck with it because my sympathies lie with your parents. But I do wish you all the best with your diagnosis and hope you can come to terms with it before alienating those around you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭csirl


    The value of the road frontage sites is due to their location, not any work you did. Would likely be the same even if they were weed filled fields.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 false name


    Mý plan " for evicting " my parents , who are in their 90's is that they will be homeď.

    In a place that can 5 look after them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭carfinder


    Your plan is for them both to be put in to a nursing home at the expense of the State while you take over their assets. Im genuinely wondering if this is a wind up, otherwise this is the most callous thread I've read in a long time!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 false name


    No not callous at all .

    They need to be in a nursing for rgeir own sake .

    I never said I was getting sites ,I'm not .



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,594 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    How do you propose paying for nursing home care for 2 elderly parents? Have you discussed it with your parents? With your siblings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭tea and coffee


    Fair Deal doesn't work that way. You can't strip the assets and expect the State to pay for a nursing home. Fair Deal takes into account any assets that were divested in the previous 5 (at least, it may have increased) years. Also, your parents may refuse to go into a home. You can't force them, unless you have Enduring Power of Attorney and depending on how advanced your mums alzheimers is, she may no longer be in a position to give consent to setting one up.

    The whole thing seems all very nasty. Would it be better if you all sat down and had a discussion about it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 false name


    It is a nasty state of affairs

    The 1000,'s of euro and before that punt all because I was shown a will leaving the place to me , would in my calculations be more than the place is worth .

    If I was to pay to take them out there would be no windows or doors . No oil burner or radiators . No toilet facilities or shower .

    If the place is to be sold surely I deserve to be reimbursed for my lifelong work .All did because they told me it was for me .

    My siblings had nothing to do with the place until the Celtic tiger and sites worth a fortune.

    It's going to end up in the high Court .

    If the place is to be sold its my children , not my siblings ones who will get the money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    How is the house with all your investments worth less than your investments.

    IF it was derelict and a site it’s likely worth €50k. What about land with it.

    You thought you were onto a winner, do up the place and sell on when your parents (bad form to live into their 90s) kicked the bucket.

    BTW, here’s the best advice you’ll receive on here.

    Don’t remove windows and heating while your 90+ parents are in the house or you could be done for manslaughter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    What advice are you looking for at this stage OP?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    I think the key take away is never expect an Inheritance.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    How much have you actually spent on the place, is it documented and who's to say that it wasn't just a good will gesture in the courts? Who's to say that your parents wouldn't have done the repairs themselves, or sold a site or leased out some land or turned over some livestock to pay for any upgrades required? Was there any ACTUAL discussion that you said you will do x y and z repairs to the house to your parents, or was it done on the "assumption" you would be getting the house based on the will you saw?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    I agree that it's a nasty state of affairs but not maybe in the way you think!

    OP yes you put in money into the house but you had no legal entitlement. And there is no way that improvements put in over the years would be worth more than the house is worth now at all. Especially as they would have been depreciating over that course of time and a lot would probably need redoing at some point in the not too distant future. Not to mention if you were living there you got the benefit of those things too.

    So the only reason you did any of it was not to help your parents but for yourself? Do you understand that you sound just as bad as you say your siblings are. You complain they don't care except for the value of the land but what about you? All you've talked about is how much your parents owe you for what you've done. Honestly it's no better. In fact in some ways its worse as you did it under the guise of helping until you weren't getting your own way.

    The Celtic tiger is a long time sleeping so that would mean your siblings have had an interest in the place for the past about 17 years? Because the tiger went into hibernation in 2008.

    No if the place is sold now, its your parents who will get the money & decide what to do with it. I will put this plainly. You Do Not Own Anything Nor Are You Legally Entitled To Anything Unless There Was An Actual Agreement Signed Stating Such. A previous version of a will does not count.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    OP, you're not coming across very well at all, as already mentioned, you seem to be worse than your siblings.

    Basically, you're regretting helping your parents out, upgrading their home. You only did it because you knew you were on the will, if you had known then, what you know now, you would've left them in a cold damp house in their latter years.

    God Almighty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    how’s the plan to go to the high court to get your bank statements coming along?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 false name


    I did that on the back of aawill shownto .

    It was a significant outlay.

    I didn't "help ' my parents t out with a few pound like you're suggesting. It alot of money to put in . Not a few 100 euro .

    I may come across as selfish or greedy but it's the opposite . I know my si lings have never paid anything can still expect to gain from my years of hard work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 false name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,273 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Is going to high court the new way we have to log onto our bank site to download statements?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    This flippin will. So are you saying that if there was no will you wouldn't have done anything? You would have ignored your parents living in a cold, damp place like you accuse your siblings of doing? As has been pointed out that will is possibly not worth the paper its written on anymore as there is a new one. And a will means nothing until a person has died. So unfortunately it's a hard lesson but one you've just learnt.

    How is it the opposite to selfish or greedy? You've talked about kicking them out of their own home to get back what you're owed? All because the will has changed as have your own circumstances that probably led to that will being written.

    It may have been a significant outlay but if you're living there, you have also had the benefit of it too. So it's not like it was just for your parents. And even if it was, you a) didn't have to do it (nothing forcing you) & b) have no legal right to repayment for works done to a house that did not belong to you or that you had no legal interest in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    I may come across as selfish or greedy but it's the opposite . I know my si lings have never paid anything can still expect to gain from my years of hard work

    It's not the opposite at all. You want your parents' home, that you paid for improvements to 30 years ago, for yourself. Even if it means leaving them homeless and put into a state run nursing home. You didn't put a cent (or penny) into the property for the benefit of anyone else but yourself. Your motives are for no one else but yourself.

    Your siblings were only asking for your parents to sell a site(s). You dont know whether your parents have promised them a cent from any potential sale of any site. Even if those sites are sold, could you not seek to recoup any money from those sale proceeds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭89897


    OP is it possible (and i ask this based souly on what you have written here in regards to homes etc) that your siblings are doing what they are doing because they see a need to protect their parents from you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 false name


    I don’t see why , this is a land grab BY THEM , not me .One of my siblings , at the height of the Covid pandemic . When you couldn’t leave your county , thought it was a good idea to drive the almost complete length of the island with two children to stay with my parents . There is no way they can do that trip no stop , with children .

    It was then the will was changed . Don’t try to tell me it was for the good of my parents . 2 other siblings were close for shopping , dr appointments etc . I was bringing up my children , single handed , during that time and any time we dropped things off for them it was dropped at the door . With the only contact by speaking through open windows ,.
    It was widely known by all family members the house was going to me while they would receive any money .

    3 off my siblings are fairly tight , not so much me as I rarely had the luxury of going down the country during busy farm times .

    I have also heard them laughing at my father and his upbringing .

    One brother has always , and I mean always a bully who ., I can’t speculate on .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭89897


    To be fair the covid stuff has no relevance, the laughing at your fathers upbringing has no relevance, the bullying has no relevance.

    I also drove the length of the country to stay with my parents during covid to ensure they had help.

    Also you mention the house was to be left to you and also a land grab by your siblings, being given the house has no bearing on the land or was it specified either way.

    In all honesty I see why you feel hard done by if all this is true and correct but it seems like you took a gamble on something unsure and it failed, legally theres no recourse.



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,594 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    During COVID people were allowed travel to care for relatives. People were allowed go into shops, cafes, restaurants. I'm not sure why you think your sister did something wrong here.

    You seem to think you are entitled to everything and your siblings nothing. You mention cash being left to them, but I'm guessing there's not much cash available if you had to pump thousands of your own money into the house to make it habitable.

    A fair split of all assets seems to be the only fair option here. A 30 year old will means nothing. Life changes. Circumstances change.

    A lot of what you say here seems either irrelevant or confused. I would strongly urge you to speak to someone. Maybe not a solicitor at the moment because they'll happily take your money for years but maybe not deliver the result you hope.

    Is there anyone in your life you trust? A sensible ear who can look at this objectively and perhaps help you to sort through the issues, get an idea of what is actually in place now and maybe discuss and come to an agreement with your family.

    As it stands, right now, your parents are alive and you own nothing. You are entitled to nothing. You have no right to bankrupt or evict your elderly parents from their own home. You have no right to put them into care without their agreement and/or the agreement of your family. You have no right to take ownership of everything and let the state look after your parents. Right now you are entitled to nothing. The only way you can sort this is by talking to your family. Maybe provisions are already in place for you to inherit something, but until you at least discuss with your family you won't know.

    If you can't speak with them then engage a mediator (an actual mediator, or a trusted person known to you) to discuss on your behalf.

    I'm not sure allowing this thread to run for much longer is of any benefit to you. You don't seem to be interested in any advice or opinion offered.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


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