Why me .

Mr Disco

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123298826#Comment_123298826

was there much cost involved ?

false name

Yes many thousands , Especially for the time . I was working construction jobs on a bit above minimum wage , but as got better and bosses trusted me more I got pay rises

I used that experience to do a lot of work , such as draft proofing the house , the double glazing needed a bit of extra work .

Fixing up the roof , putting new hardware , taps and pipes in and other stuff .
My siblings have used my tools for house improvements in their own homes , no problem , until I got my diagnosis .
It seems everyone wrote me off and it was a free for all to steal my tools . And I am particular about my tools . It wasn’t Robson’s crap from Lidil . One brother I landed to his house and he returned the tools , the other denied ever using them even though I knew that he “ borrowed “ them . He is a particularly selfish prick .
The kind , as the saying goes , he’d live in one ear and rent the other out , and I mean that literally .
He’s the type who acts like a business man when he’s working with no rent to pay and no overheads . All because I tidied up the place , not him . He had jobs in his field which were always short lived , which suggests to me he’s not as good as he pretends .
Quite frankly I’m sick of being a doormat , while others use my hard work for their own benefit and and don’t even hide it from me .
As I said they seem to discount me as a joke . But whether you think that I am right or wrong , it will come out in the wash

airy fairy

Earlier in posts you said the land was left unattended until you cleared the place, now you're saying a brother did jobs in his field?

So what's the correct story, each child has a field? Parents live in house. You want the house and put them into care and siblings take land split up?

Other niggly bits like taking tools etc is all part of a big family.

false name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123309484#Comment_123309484

I never said anything about him doing work in his field . He has a house of his own 20 miles away and not in farming . But he uses an outhouse at my parents house as a base , and no doubt claiming to pay rent .

I know my father has mentioned how large the esb bills which I paid had increased , as it’s all on the same line . Nothing about his field .

Deeec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123309533#Comment_123309533

You just bloody well said in your post at 2.50 that he done jobs in his field!!! Your story is all over the place. You don't appear to be able to explain your situation properly at all - you say one thing and then say the opposite.

You are not thinking straight. Read over what you have written here and book an appointment with your GP.

false name

Yes , but a complete misunderstanding on my part . I meant in his area of employment , and took up your post as meaning in his agricultural land .

suvigirl

Sure the land was terrible and good for nothing before the OP sorted it all out. But yet it was rented to someone else for years. There are a lot of inconsistencies in the story but I do think that's because the OP is so angry. I just think his illness is the real reason he is angry.

airy fairy

Regardless of who lives where, what people did during covid, who pays what bills, the fact is there's a few siblings wanting to get their hands on land. There is also a dwelling that has been upgraded at your expense because you were under the assumption that you'd get the house and were happy to do said improvements because it benefitted you.

Things have now changed, you're not on the will or not getting the dwelling anyway. Not sure if you are getting land like the other siblings.

All that regardless, you have intentions to put your parents into a care home, to be paid for by the state without any investment from the family. You expected the state to pay for the parents care, and you'd live in the dwelling. Unfortunately for you, the house is an asset, and will be considered as such when it comes to carehome fees.

I honestly think you need to seek medical help and legal advice.

If my kids were circling me waiting for my last breath to take my home I'd be cutting them out of my will too. Think about it.

Deeec

There's always 2 sides to every story. I believe the op did invest money into his parents home and land but I also suspect his siblings did invest and help out also. It sounds like his siblings are currently caring for the elderly parents not the op. The op is deliberately ignoring his siblings contribution.

I've seen this situation lots of times before where a person views themselves with rose tinted glasses.

false name

I take on all the comments on this thread , but I have to say that the only one which was of any relevance to my situation is the poster who mentioned Promissory estoppel, 

I have loads of documentation to prove that case , including but not exclusive to my parents first will which was made when they were mentally competent , not like any recent changes made to it .
There are loads of medical professionals who attest to that .

To the posters who regaled me with what they did for their parents without expecting anything in return , while well meaning are completely missing the crux of the thread .

I suggest you read the start of the post where I explained why my parents initially were leaving the property to me .

As an aside , I all ready have documentation for alot of my posts .
I don’t know if many of you get the point about how my father was happy that I was farming the land .
The reason was because I had the inclination and ability to fence the place , get various contractors in , and knew the local people who would do a good job for not extortionate prices . Something he didn’t have with a family during a recession .
I am well aware of how farmers cry about no money in farming and other whines .

These same farmers have new cars and expensive tractors , a large BPS and the latest gizmo , but moaning to my siblings about it , who then relate to my parents is crap .

As I’ve said there are no facilities for intensive farming but my siblings think I should be raking it in . One was so delusional about the place that they thought there was an area suitable for a lakeside development ????

There is a small lake but believe me , while I love being down at it , Lough Erne it is not .

As I said , there are no buildings or infrastructure necessary for modern intensive farming . But there is , thanks to me , well fenced land with access to all the fields which you can now rotate grazing unlike before .
I took my father and his siblings ( my uncles and aunts around the place when they visited , there was a general appreciation for what I’ve done compared to what it was like .
But that didn’t happen overnight and by itself .

That is the crux .

false name

And no my siblings until the last few years have bought nothing . They clumped together to buy a piece of kitchen equipment about two or three years ago . No doubt they are thinking similarly to me but it’s a very small drop in a very big ocean as far as I’ m concerned .

Whispers in their ear about how they and me would be better off by spitting the doesn’t cut it for me . Both monetarily or personally .

JIdontknow

And is this really about monetary value, or personal to ensure they all get absolutely nothing? Depending how long your brother used the shed / workshop / outhouse, he may try claim counter rights to that? And also the fact that they bought kitchen equipment may mean they can try argue that everyone did some things and pulled together for your parents and the reason you did the jobs you did is you had the tools / skills to do it. I know you won’t like that scenario but it could be the reality of it?

false name

I am aware that but ,what I hope , is my ace in the hole is the timing .

I have been doing this all along since the early 90’s .

My brother who is working from the outhouse would be cutting his nose off to spite his face if he added a claim .
He may even have a signed agreement to work there rent free unbeknownst to me but I know from a long time ago he was claiming he was paying rent for his ‘ business ‘ to reduce any potential tax burden if he was paying any . . I on the contrary am completely tax compliant during my years farming with accountancy records to prove it .

Should that become an issue , the taxman ,if needed , would be able to prove it one way or another by accessing both my parents account and his to see any transactions .

My parents don’t keep cash in their home for obvious reasons . All transactions , pensions , are made via post office or bank , which is then accessed by whichever sibling is delivering groceries ( I guess )

I’m guessing this as I know my parents

false name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123309600#Comment_123309600

if you knew anything farming you’ d know what kind of farmer it is

mykrodot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123309575#Comment_123309575

its quite obvious when you read it that the OP meant his brother's "field of work". Context is everything! OP had just mentioned that his brother was a business man and his jobs did not last that long, meaning he might not have been as good as he thought.

This would not be the case with a farmer working in a field where there is nobody checking your work!

Deeec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123310790#Comment_123310790

Being honest I didn't get that meaning from that post at all. The op is very unclear in his posts.

mykrodot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123310809#Comment_123310809

yep he is, I agree with you, very difficult to follow this story. But the only "let" I gave him was the brother's "field of work" , strangely I got that one immediately :-)

false name

I’m sorry if my posts are unclear or misleading . Basically I was always told I was being left the house and land . Not because I was a favourite or anything , but because since I was young I always did whatever work with the animals was needed , and both enjoyed it and had a good knowledge of it .
As such I went to ag college to get my green very . All was going to plan for me and my parents . I bought some machinery and tools , up graded the land and house . By up grading the land I mean a lot of fencing . Both new and repairs , got hedge cutting and other jobs done got digger work done on the land . I also up graded the house . I got rid of the old rotten sashes and single pane windows and put new double glazing in . I also bought and installed a new heating system , radiators , a new oil burner to replace the clapped out one . Anyone who knows what is involved in putting new radiators in will know there’s alot of kangoing and connecting pipes on your knees .
An out house showed signs of collapse , so I with my background in construction work , bought 3x4s and braced it as for it to fall would have meant a big electrical problem . The land had been rented out , for in my mind a pittance . So I took the land back and paid my parents a slightly in creased rent .
This was all done , not on a whim , but by being shown a will , lodged with my parents solicitor which left it to me .

The reason I need the high court is to access my bank records going back more than a few years and get proof of not only of what I bought but how much I paid . Then I’ll be bringing that to an accountant who can give me a valuation in today’s money . One thing I have learned is when buying major stuff is to go through reputable companies who issue receipts and who take card / cheques .

I don’t think people realise how much work , and not just money , I put into the place . My parents are good people but fairly normal country people who made ends meet but never had much for luxuries .

So people who tell me that they also helped out their parents financially aren’t really getting the whole picture .

And no my siblings did not help in any meaningful way . With money or work .
It may seem like I’m being boastful , but it’s the simple truth . Not everything I did was awesome but , but I did it . My siblings all took and used and now they think they’re entitled to stuff . Once my money , adjusted to inflation, plus the copies of the initial will is thrown in , I suspect I have a very strong claim for restitution .

false name

Also , if I can get facts and figures about what I have done , I believe some of my siblings will back off to a certain extent . And by that I mean getting out of my parents ears and guilt tripping them .

If you want to take the responsibility , here is exactly what it will cost you .
All with receipts and proof of purchase .
Given all I’ve done and the amount adjusted for inflation , it’s many many €1000’s . Also there is a bill from 30 years ago that I didn’t settle , on purpose . It’s quite large and up to my siblings to pay .

Mr Disco

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312690#Comment_123312690

what kind of bill could possibly remain unsettled for 30 years??

Murt2024

sounds to me like OP has gotten Ill and now wants money to cover his medical expenses and bills and chasing his parents to leave the house to him.

If you were my child doing this to me I’d leave the house to the other children and cut you completely out of the will. If you were my only son I’d try my best to leave it to a charity.

Won’t be long till your left on your OP with your whole family disowning you.

TBH I’m not surprised your sister brought your Dad to a solicitor with the way your acting.

false name

I wasn’t acting in anyway to cause my sister to bring my father to a solicitor . In fact I haven’t even conveyed my plans to my siblings . Although I have mentioned it to my father in a cryptic way , but not leaving any doubt about my intentions . He didn’t seem perturbed or angry . Rather after saying a few things that he did and me correcting him as to where the money came from he saw it from my side . We had a reminiscence about doing stuff in the fields etc and it was good .
The ones speaking that if I acted this way they’d cut me out completely . FY . How’s the family siblings ✌🏿

Big Bag of Chips

It seems you haven't directly spoken to anyone, about anything. So you actually don't know what anyone's intentions are.

You got work done 30 years ago and didn't pay your supplier/tradesman - deliberately. That's a scumbag thing to do. Your siblings aren't going to settle that bill now. It's long been written off, with your supplier suffering the loss.

It seems you think you get to call all the shots and others have to bend to your will or you'll bankrupt your elderly parents and leave them homeless.

With every post you come across worse. I honestly do hope your siblings are using whatever tools they have at their disposal to protect your parents from you.

airy fairy

You say you went to Ag college and got the Green cert. In what way has that benefitted you? What grants have to received, as you keep mentioning it, so clearly it has given you some financial gain?

Kalimah

Why would you need to go to the High Court for bank records? Just ask the bank. I’d be surprised if they have anything from as far back as 30 years ago anyway. I worked in branch banking years ago and we definitely didn’t have historic records going back 30 years.

JIdontknow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312720#Comment_123312720

So you reminisced about doing stuff in the fields, etc. and it was good, even though you want evict both your parents unless you get everything you want, does your dad know of this intention also?

Post 43 states this:

"No I plan on evicting them before that. It’s up to someone else to look after them.

And to the poster who said I’m wasting my time as my parents won’t be able to repay me.
Exactly. If they can’t or don’t repay me I shall have no option but to evict them.
Let the state look after them. Or my siblings, but knowing that they won’t be getting a farm, I don’t think they will get involved.
The point is that I have bankrolled them ever since they not only told me they were leaving it to me but asked me.
The whole house: land isn’t worth my debt.
So wam not getting it for free. I have paid everything for nearly 30 years"

Rebecca2K20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123312690#Comment_123312690

OP, I think everyone on this thread has tried various ways to explain this to you, but here goes anyway:

LEGALLY, you do not have any right to anything on the basis of putting money into the property, regardless of how much money you spent, and how much it is when you adjust for inflation. Wills can be changed very easily and quickly, and circumstances change, so being included in a will doesn't mean anything unless it is the final will after a person has died. You should sit down with a solicitor yourself and see what advice they can give you. I understand you feel aggrieved in this situation and are very angry at how things have turned out, but that is not a basis for a legal case. And that emotion is coloring your perception of what you believe you are legally entitled to. You don't seem to know very much about your legal entitlements or responsibilities. For instance, how could a bill that you ran up 30 years ago be a problem for your siblings?

false name

I appreciate I have been told that I am not owed any money for the work I did , or for anything I did . People have accused me of being many things , of holding my parents to ransom .
Banks do not keep records going that far back and the only way to access them is via the high court . Told to me by my bank manager .

Esel

If the bank does not have the records, how is the court going to change that fact?

Ezeoul

You can't evict your parents from their property. They are not your tenants. In fact, you say you are theirs!

You are not entitled to try and force your parents to repay you (at today's rates) for the value of repairs done to the house 3 decades ago - those things like windows would have depreciated by now to the point of zero, and they probably need to be replaced again.

I sincerely hope your siblings are doing all they need to protect your parents from you.