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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,032 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump said he'd be a dictator on day one. That's true, but he's also been a dictator for an additional 60, so far. He's been ruling the country from the resolute desk via executive order, and US Congress has largely bent the knee. It's exactly as bad as I thought it would be, if not worse. By the time the US midterms roll around, it's not going to matter who wins them, such will be Trump's grip on the machinery of power, and US democracy will officially be at an end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Rfk Jr is putting Americas health at risk .the only solution to bird flu is to kill chickens .Otherwise it might mutate and spread to humans .

    measles is spreading outside Texas. some people don't believe in vaccines .they don't bring their children to get the mmr vaccine .He,s in charge of the health department. There has to be a public campaign to get children vaccinated. He is not strongly in favor of vaccines. He,s a disaster for public health .

    Since the pandemic theres been right wing weirdo,s spreading anti vaccine conspiracy theories



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The wider problem of RFK jr. is that his position is emboldening an attitude that had already existed in that part of the States. Its made somewhat worse that the vaccine you usually apply to a child to immunise against Measles is the combined MMR jab for Measles, Mumps and Ruebella. Thats the inoculation that one disgraced Doctor and countless anti-vax conspiracy theorists tried to suggest causes authism.

    Despite the Doctor in question being found out in quick order to have been part of a plan to discredit one brand of jab in favor of another, his fraudulent study was enough of an excuse for people who simply didnt want to get injections who now had an excuse to wave about for their attitude. Instead of being framed as the childish contrarians (which they are), they could now claim to be «concern citizens» who did their «Research*». (*Youtube)

    A strong State-level health service backed by a competent Federal administration is still needed here. You need States who are willing to run intensive campaigns to counter the MAGA idiocracy that would discourage the use of any vaccines for fear that Bill Gates/Bezos is puting microchips in your blood for…reasons. Or simply counter the attitude that being «in the right» about a position like this is more important to some people than actually keeping their kids healthy.

    RFK is by far the worst option on top of all of this. Whats worse, much like Donnie, I don’t think he even believes the vaccine nonsense himself, but is happy to ride that wave to be where he is now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Read an article about the mennonites who lost their 6 yo to measles. Still wouldn’t vaccinate as it didn’t harm the others, and it was her time to die. Unreal stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,651 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    on the vaccine Trumpites can 100% ‘ride both horses’ with ABSOLUTLY no difficulty ie be a totally anti vaccine and have your children vaccined . It’s what they do and can very easily explain away the contradiction. While using the Trump Lingo/Strategy eg fold the zone, etc, etc, etc, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,372 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’m not a fan of Sky News normally but a good summary of where we’re at here. Essentially the Democrats “strategy” is to “Hope” Trump destroys himself - given Trumps approval rating (and his latest stunt to kick out 1000s of legitimate working migrants) will only raise this popularity.

    It’s official- America has a king or a dictator or whatever you wish to call it - the fact that he can do whatever he chooses without any repercussions is essentially meeting the definition of those titles.

    There’s no “green shoots” - Democrats are more disorganised than ever - their policies and thinking are too far left for the electorate to stomach - I’m not even sure a recession will help them as simply the American public are being primed to expect a recession and to embrace it as a good thing for their long term benefit - a small pain for a large gain if you will - I’m not at all sure that in 4 years time “it’s the economy stupid” will work - the Republicans are doing a great job at brainwashing the public.

    I’m not even sure democrats have the will to organise a peaceful silent protest no less mass riots - America is fcked.

    “Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, and eight other Democratic senators sided with the Republicans to allow Trump's Budget Resolution to pass.“

    “Meanwhile, Schumer protests that it will not be possible to do sensible deals in Congress until Trump's popularity rating drops to 40%.

    It could be a long wait. At the moment the president stands at around 48% approval while the Democrats are at a pitiful 27%.”


    https://news.sky.com/story/amp/donald-trump-will-soon-mark-100-days-in-power-where-does-his-opposition-stand-13333318



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You think the problem is that the democrats are too left??

    Its clear that the democrats are losing because they're a paper opposition. They're owned by the same wealthy elites who supported Trump, and have been sabotaging any attempt to have a real opposition for decades.

    Where would we be now if Bernie Sanders had been given a fair chance in the primaries?

    Trump would never have won his first term.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I don't tend to agree that Sanders would have won but in agreement on everything else. The Democrats biggest issue is they're unwilling to have firm messaging at this stage. They're half frightened of being called left wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭threeball


    The dems are left on the wrong issues. Things like trans rights should be something you do whilst in power, not an item you run on. The reality is, the % of trans people is miniscule, and most people just don't care. There's plenty of other leftist issues like this that they really need to move away from and focus on social supports etc. You do the other stuff as a consequence of being in power.

    Trans people, womens rights and every other issue are far better off with the Dems in power, regardless of whether they ignore them to get there. The groups pushing those agendas should recognise that fact too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Trump won because people wanted change, hated Clinton and a lot of young people were very pissed off at the way the DNC treated Bernie and his supporters

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Pretty much this. The Dems are about as Left Wing as the Tories under Thatcher. They do have elements who flurt with the idea of European-style social welfare programs which lean into the realm of center/center-right policy, which in the States that position gets styled as «Radical Left-Wing Marxist!»

    The main problem the Dems have, especially now, is that they need to be a very vocal & public opposition party, and they do not seem to know how to do that. They need to learn it, and they need to do it before the mid-terms. In addition they need to be putting forward potential presidential candidates now. They need a selection of charismatic individuals who can both appeal to voters, but can also give off an air of compitence. Make it so that voters will be chomping at the bit to replace Donnie with one of these when the time comes.

    Thats the key to all this. The Dems need to be better at selling themselves to the general public, and they need to remind them that that Donnie / GOP have no f*cking clue how to run a government. What they are doing now is nowhere near enough. By the time of the midterms, the voters will want something to change but without explict help to understand where the problem comes from, they might not vote in their own interests. Thats were the Dems need to come in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Doge we are going to cut waste and save money .reality

    The IRS is expecting to collect 10 per cent less tax this year because of the chaos and cutbacks in the IRS made by doge.

    And the stock market has lost trillions in value so 401k pension funds have lost value as most 401k funds invest in the stock market

    But at least rich people will have less tax to pay.

    If you work as a nurse or at Walmart there's no tax cuts for you .You ll pay the same tax but infrastructure and public services like parks will see staff layoffs

    Maga should be called mama

    Make America mediocre again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,032 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I would say that if you collected all the wordage of the Trump and Harris campaigns and compared them, you'd find that Trump mentioned LGBTQ stuff waaaay more than Harris did, although he did so in disparaging terms.

    As I see it, the Democrats' problem is not being left on certain issues. Their problem is that they have no message. They have no leaders. They have no-one to rally a broad coalition of voters around. They reek of corporate centrism.

    What's probably also happened a bit is that many of America's richest people are firmly rallying around Trump, presumably in an effort to gain favour and help protect their assets. They want in on the ground floor of the emerging oligarchy. So, if all of these people go to Trump's side and the Democrat base is disillusioned, where will Democrat campaign funding come from? I'm sure there are still big donors who support the Democrats, but losing favour with so many cannot in any way help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,725 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Bit of light relief…

    https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+i+will+survive&oq=canad&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDggAEEUYJxg7GIAEGIoFMg4IABBFGCcYOxiABBiKBTIKCAEQLhixAxiABDIGCAIQRRhAMgYIAxBFGDkyBggEECMYJzIGCAUQRRg9MgYIBhBFGDwyBggHEEUYPdIBCDMwNzNqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fd9ff8ac,vid:8peiLVFsLdw,st:0

    (why is Boards stopping some urls from converting to images?) Its a bit long but says it all.

    Edit: Sorry, I didn't say what it was, its We will Survive, Canada's response to DT.

    Post edited by looksee on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's going to be at least next year and more likely towards the end of next year with the mid-terms before the Dems primary pool starts to get into shape.

    What that pool looks like is going to depend on how trumps term is going.

    The GOP primary could be very weird this time (assuming we don't get a barack/donald race).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    The Republicans have embraced communist Russia but the Democrats are seen as the left party? 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,032 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Russia hasn't been Communist since the early 1990s. It's now a socially-regressive oligarchy where the poor people accept their situation and dissent is brutally suppressed. MAGA's wet dream, in other words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://fortune.com/2025/03/17/foreign-tourism-us-forecast-trump-tariffs-trade-war-russia-ukraine-war/

    According to a Feb. 27 report from research firm Tourism Economics, visits are expected to fall 5.1%, down from an earlier view for an 8.8% increase. Spending by foreign tourists is expected to tumble 11%, representing a loss of $18 billion this year.

    I suspect the figures will drop even more as the year goes on. Trump is looking at destroying all industries (Auto, farming, tourism etc...)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,352 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    The idea that the Democratic party is left or liberal(two different things btw), or that they run on trans rights or open borders. It's all gop propaganda. None of these things define the Democrats. They need to understand why the Republican party were so successful at hypnotizing enough people into believing their propaganda.

    The Democratic party is pretty economically conservative at least and socially centre ground. And hyper capitalist.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Thr republicans used very simple language eg we,ll reduce inflation and get control of immigrants and reduce crime .Even if you hate trump he,s good at talking to working class voters and he appeals to racist and conservative voters .

    The democrats need a leader like bill Clinton that can talk to voters in a simple type of language .Harris is black and female which is a disadvantage if you want millions of voters to vote for you .She appeals to middle class liberal people .

    Trump is going to cause a recession increase inflation and put off tourists from coming to America .Reducing staff at national parks is not going to help tourism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭Raichų


    he will on one hand tell you vaccines cause autism in kids (lol) but on the other hand he has vaccinated his own children.

    Go figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,723 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's absolutely nothing "communist" about Putin's Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,723 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    When people want to believe lies it's very easy to lie to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,372 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Perception is absolutely everything in politics - if the perception is that the democrats are left wing, then they’re left wing- it’s that simple.

    The reality means nothing - and compared to MAGA, there’s probably an argument to had that they are , even though they’re more left of centre -MAGA have done a fine job of painting them a certain way - and in some respects the democrats were complicit in their own downfall - they allowed themselves to be defined and dominated by issues whilst important, were marginal to the overall governance of a vast country- they should have seen this coming and they didn’t.

    I don’t think they can reverse out of this perception either - there’s a distinct possibility that the only way to “redemption” is that Trump and MAGA go too far- even for the American people. But with the tolerance the American people are displaying so far, it seems to me that they will tolerate a hell of a lot more before they start react, no less respond. The Democrats haven’t had a clue on how to respond to appropriately to Trump and MAGA - Europe is learning quickly but I don’t think the Democrats know how.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    That's the main problem.

    It's Homer Simpson vs Ray Paterson.

    However, it's also...

    The dumbing down on news.

    The lowering of the attention span.

    Social media.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Yes, Communism ended and Russia went hyper capitalist under Yeltsin.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You think the problem is that the democrats are too left??

    Americans certainly seem to. There was a lot of polling after the election and Harris was broadly considered too left. Of course, those on the more left wing of the electorate thought she was a centrist war shill who spent too long with Cheney. It's a pretty hard electorate to bring together.

    I think much of this was a) GOP framing and b) some of her past comments coming back as she certainly didn't come across that way to me during the campaign.

    Eventually people are going to have to accept that Sanders was just less popular than Clinton, especially among minorities. He performed extremely poorly there. He was never ahead in nationwide polling and basically never ahead in delegate count, regardless of whatever the DNC might have been up. There is no reason to think he would have beaten Trump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,385 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    But he won't even get on the ballot so he isn't close to the Presidency at all.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Both systems (as applied) are/were antidemocratic autocratic dictatorships.

    Their salient feature .

    Also Putin's Russia seems happy with its "Communist" past(especially where Ukraine is concerned)



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