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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,620 ✭✭✭plodder


    The McGregor incident was toe-curling. He got a lot of time on the Sky News report last night to spout his BS.

    This autopen thing is completely bizarre though. Whatever about using it to sign letters to citizens (which was probably the original purpose), the fact that Obama used it to sign legislation when he wasn't even in the country, is incredible. Maybe the courts there would allow that, but I seriously doubt they would here. It completely misses the whole point of signatures on important documents.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭8mv


    Like McGregor, you're claiming to speak for the people of Ireland. His views, and yours, are not mine. You speak for yourself only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,114 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Understandable that we focus on the McGregor visit, but the casual ignoring of court orders over the weekend is a much bigger deal.

    There's a slippery slope there - to an extent the court system has always been powerless of itself and relies on the good faith of people with actual power to follow and/or enforce even when they actively dislike what the court has directed. If that changes, then you are definitely heading into a whole new ball-game. The parallels with various 1920s European events would be fairly stark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,123 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    mcgregors presidential campaign has begun!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,338 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: If you want to discuss immigration and Ireland there's a thread to do that in, no need to bring it up in this thread as well. Thanks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭McFly85


    McGregor hasn’t a hope of getting anywhere near the presidency. He won’t manage to get a nomination, what CC or TD would want to be associated with promoting a convicted rapist?

    And anyway, we are a million miles away from the US politically. You can see how poorly populists do in our elections and that’s the sort of bucket that McGregor would be in - we aren’t going to buy MAGA nonsense here. And as everyone understands(apart from McGregor is seems) that it’s largely a ceremonial role and that you’re really an ambassador for Ireland and Irish culture globally, there’s no chance that the majority of Irish citizens would think he remotely fits that bill. It’s more realistic to argue that he is the least popular Irish celebrity today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,620 ✭✭✭plodder


    True, but when push comes to shove, the important people (like army generals, and it seems so weird pointing this out wrt to the US) take an oath specifically to defend the constitution, rather than to the commander in chief personally.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,094 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    As Trump wants it to go to SCOTUS, the future will be made by them; a straight forward decision by them to play along with their strong president in line with their "official duties" sidestep or breaking the bond by telling him that the lower courts orders are legally binding on him and must be complied with forthwith. SCOTUS will probably say it is not going to review the orders and will leave things to be decided by the lower courts judges; the Pontius Pilate precedence again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Does Trump actually have to pay $83.3 million to E. Jean Carroll? Not immediately, at least

    Before Donald Trump delivers any amount of monetary damages to E. Jean Carroll, he could engage in a long appeals process.

    theconversation.com

    theconversation.com


    "With Trump in particular, who is well known for drawing out legal processes, the appeals process could take a long time. It just depends. It could take years.
    And the $65 million of punitive damages, in particular, is not about how much Carroll was harmed. It is about punishing Trump’s bad behavior and getting him to stop doing it".

    Does seem Carroll could be in for a very long wait to get paid, Trump will employ the delay, delay tactics and might well be lying beside Ivana before this gets settled, imagine having to go after Trump's estate as his vulture family come to pick his bones.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,355 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    A digital signature is every bit as valid as an ink signature. They are used incredibly frequently at all levels of business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,356 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I signed for my mortgage digitally… I've signed my work contracts digitally.… Plenty of things are viewed as credible signatures. Trump just thinks the performance of signing is work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,620 ✭✭✭plodder


    An autopen is not a digital signature. It is literally a facsimile of an actual signature, no different from photocopying a real one.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,275 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    And the complaint coming from Trump who never signed any instructions to declassify the documents he stole but used the defence that as POTUS once he thinks it and orders it is official.

    So it's just rubbish about Biden digital signatures

    Post edited by Leroy42 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,620 ✭✭✭plodder


    I totally get the hypocrisy and double standards arguments about Trump. He definitely used the same thing himself in his first term. But, I just find it astonishing that legislation was signed into law with a fake signature, when potus wasn't even in the country. Of course, he can argue validly, that his intent was to sign it. But why bother with the fake signature, and not use some artifice like (pp per procurationem) ? And it does open the door to much more concerning issues around whether Biden knew about some of the pardons that he supposedly signed. That's why actually putting ink to paper in your own hand matters sometimes.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    President of what though? Suggestions please…..

    Yesterday was an embarrassment to Ireland, the office of the U.S Presidency… and to anyone with a hint of decent moral standards…

    The only way that Circus show in the Oval office could have been any worse was if Harvey Weinstein, Jeffery Epstein and P.Diddy were there also…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    i don't think there's a single council where a non mainstream party or independents control, let alone 4 of them. Given the **** show the last time out, the parties will completely lock down the nominations.

    I doubt there will be any candidates to emerge from the Councils, let alone a character such as McGregor.

    McGregor could conceivably take a seat in a general election though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭randd1


    He might be voted in once as a protest vote, but there's not a chance he'd get voted in twice.

    First of all you'd have to turn up, and he's highly unlikely to do anything other than threaten to hit someone.

    Secondly, you'd have to do something for your constituents, and the only thing he does for his constituents is keep the drug suppliers busy and punch old men in the face for refusing whiskey.

    And third, there's every chance he'd be arrested for possession while entering the Dáil, and he'd be banned from it.

    As for the Presidency, I'm not joking, as a general rule he's so despised in Ireland in the main that I would probably stand a better chance if, and my sole reason for campaign for running would be for letting an ordinary lad have a much fancier gaff than he currently has and free tickets to major sports events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,275 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    What fake signature are you talking about?

    You think someone forged Bidens signature?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    After The Monk fiasco I don't think McGregor is as far away from the Presidency as people here think.

    SInn Fein are populist and do extremely well here. A right wing populist hasn't done well here (bar Casey) because so far we haven't had one with charisma or one which the media becomes totally obsessed with, when that happens everything will change here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    He's very far from gaining any public office position, it's just not how politics works over here.. Maybe Trump can give him a job over there, and maybe citizenship so he will never come back to Ireland..

    As for Sinn Fein, they're very much a left wing party so wouldn't go anywhere near the likes of McGregor.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Lets be honest , a certain element of the British and the Americans love parading McGregor around because it reassures them of their established stereotypes of the Irish. Namely that we are a bunch of clowns. So I'm not surprised they gave him loads of air time.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    All of which, it turned out, proved to have the effect (or lack of effect) I had correctly postulated at the time.

    If it is your perception that I am a Trump supporter because of this, I can accept that reality. I'm not one, but I accept that you incorrectly think so. This dissociation between what one believes should be and what is seems to be an area you have having difficulty with, given this is the second example you have exhibited in a short period of time.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Where are them checks and balances when Trump admin are openly flaunting the law now

    Can’t throw him in prison as Trump will just pardon him like he done with the insurrectionists who tried to change election outcome and killed cops

    The water in the pot is at boiling yet he frogs are strangely quiet 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭yagan


    Even McGregor identified himself as British at one stage I believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Sinn Fein are populist left. The definition of populism is "person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite group". That 100% describes SF.

    SInn Fein are also dominated by religious beliefs so could turn from left to right wing populism on a dime depending on how tide turns, its been that way throughout Eastern Europe where once left wing groups have gone to right.

    If Casey gets on ballot here it's not out of the question McGregor won't.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Whatever is listed in law in his state or federal regulation, just like everyone else. Let me know if he tries to buy a firearm, for example. Or do you suggest different laws and punishments should apply to him than anyone else similarly situated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭golfball37


    His highest in office approval ratings currently . Just under 50%.
    None of our business really if the people who voted for him don’t have buyers remorse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭randd1


    I think as well with America it's all about the show. Trump is a simplistic showman, McGregor is a simplistic showman. And they really love celebrities.

    Trump and McGregor might be an unmitigated disaster as human beings and even worse for the welfare of a country, but they're entertaining enough to distract dumb people and convince dumb people that they're like them, which helps them sell themselves as showmen, which they are, you can't take your eyes off them, they're entertainment.

    Throw in the weird way Americans worship celebrities, and the tendency of Americans to be deferential to celebrities/showmen (especially the celebrity preachers).

    It's a weird setup, for a country built around the concept of individual freedom and the pursuit of better, how utterly subservient the majority of them are as a group that they surrender themselves and their self worth to a celebrity showman. Sad too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,620 ✭✭✭plodder


    Obviously I don't know whether anyone did and I'm certainly not taking Trump's word for it. But, I think it is crazy to be using this robotic autopen to sign any important documents like legislation, as Obama did when he was out of the country. The idea of it, is completely crazy imo.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    literally few posts up you have Trump admin openly boasting about ignoring the law and judges

    And if imprisoned Trump will just pardon them making mockery of your belief in checks and balances and the rule of law



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