Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Yes, we need a specific plan with specific targets:

I have suggested:

(1) max UKR refugees 1% of the population, =52k approx, until the war ends

Any above 52k to be removed now, the 52k to be sent home after the war ends

(2) a target of zero-asylum

All current AS to be removed prompty after claim assessed.

By that I mean within a week of claim result.

(3) max of 1,000 programme refugees per year

Its bad enough as it is, any left wing parties would make it multiples worse. So yes people will complain about the current situation under this government knowing there is no alternative to improve it. When Europe clamps down more then things will improve here and certainly not under some left liberal alliance that oddball murphy and PBP want.

I see your point but the likes of sinnfein, pbp and labour wouldn't even talk about curbing immigration, they would actively shout down anybody against it as racist etc and encourage more to be done for asylum seekers thus increasing immigration even more.

But they are all "left nutters". That's what people need to understand. People shouldn't fall for "centre" or "centre left". There's no such thing. They're all identical.

But how can you get "far worse" than wide open borders, letting every single person in, and zero deportations?

And don't believe a word they say. They know exactly what they're doing with their open borders policy.

You ask: "More and more IPAS centres are opening and it's not stopping. Why?"

That's an easy one to answer:

Modern Ireland is unique in the world for having no opposition of any sort, save for a tiny number of Independent TDs. The media is 100% homogenous, for example, so there's no opposition there. You also have the problem of old people voting for parties who hate them and their values. But they will never not vote for them because of tribal voting. Whomever their parents voted for is the party they will always vote for. It's a bizarre situation.

Why do you want them all sent home after the war ends?

What about those who are working full time, are putting down roots and granted permanent residency?

Should they be kicked out too?

It would be nice to see more nuance about who posters are actually talking about when they say they want mass removals of different nationalities.

Otherwise it just comes across as racist hate.

Ok. I welcome the change of rhetoric from these Muppets.

Let's now see actions.

Let's see migrants without passports being denied entry.

Let's see hotels being returned to tourist use.

Let's see deportations.

Let's see Nigeria added to the safe list countries.

Let's see funding cut for NGOs.

Let's see changes to policies and laws

It is perfectly acceptable to question spending on IPAS centres and immigrants. What is not acceptable is to pass of the spend figures for a full department as being all for immigrants. The Immigration related spend in 2024 was a little over 1bn from a 7.35 billion department budget. By all means question the validity of that spend, but that spend did not stop anyone getting dental treatment with a budget surplus last year of 7.5billion when the Apple windfall is excluded. And the problem in provision of services is not cash, its availability of suitably qualified people and the ability of the exiting bureaucracy to absorb any additional funding without providing the additional services.

The UKR refugees are BOTP - Beneficiares of Temporary Protection.

Temporary is the opposite of permanent.

In June 2024, the European Council extended the Temporary Protection Directive until March 2026.

Once the war is over, or by March 2026, the protection expires, so it's time to go home.

That does not mean they should be sent home and given our demographic challenges it's not in our interests to send them home anyway. The government won't be in any hurry to be sending people home and most of them will make their new lives in this country and contribute to this country. They are more than welcome.

There is less than 80,000 Ukrainians in the country.

30K+ have moved on.

This has already been noted on the thread several times already.

 We should only be accepting migrants prepared to work in high paying roles or critical roles i.e. healthcare. There needs to be a minimum of €55,000 wage for any company looking to bring in non-EU workers 

That would be more than the base salary of an experienced staff nurse.

Going to get very expensive if the HSE have to pay 55K+ to recruit at that pay scale.

What percentage of income tax increase would you accept personally to fund this?

Almost 24,000 Ukrainians are in employment, 30,000 + in education. 10,000 people opened there homes to them.

It is absolutely staggering when you think about it, history will look back on us proudly for what Ireland did for Ukrainian refugees.

We couldn't provide billions in lethal aid but we did something just as important.

Asylum seekers are the thin end of the wedge when it comes to immigration. The ones who don't qualify should be processed quickly and denied the right to stay in the country and helped leave if they don't.

Ukrainian's are de facto refugees. The integration of which has been a success by every metric.

The majority of our immigrants are either returning Irish, from the UK, from the EU or recruited by companies on work visas outside the EU. A large amount of these would be tech firms, health care, food sector, home help, construction - what would be considered critical jobs to backfill what we can't.

Now there is Visa overstayers who come in to study, etc. But this wouldn't be unique to Ireland. Also judging by the recent amnesty these wouldn't be in any great numbers.

By all means get rid of the ones that are not entitled to be here, but the reality is the vast vast majority are entitled to be here and even more important badly needed.

It's a pity we don't have exit checks, so we would know the precise numbers living here.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/fp/p-aui/arrivalsfromukraineinirelandseries15/

The 80,000 figure seems to come from here?

• There were 112,189 Personal Public Service Numbers (PPSNs) given to Beneficiaries of Temporary Protection (BoTP) from Ukraine between 04 March 2022 and 02 February 2025.
• Of these BoTPs from Ukraine who were given a PPSN, 71% had activity in administrative data after 30 November 2024, based on data currently available to the Central Statistics Office (CSO).